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So finally we've got to see Isshin's actual Shikai...
And finally people would stop the argument about Isshin fighting Aizen in sealed stated or Shikai. Isshin should be a monster if he managed to easily worn-out Aizen in just sealed state in FKT.
And finally, it seems that Getsuga Tenshou might be used in sealed state and isn't actually related to Shikai or Bankai.
If Masaki takes down this Hollow, then Ichigo logically obtains poower of this Hollow through Fullbring in his mother's womb, since she was fighting a Hollow and it might be that the power of this Hollow mixed with the power of Engetsu, thus producing Ichigo's Zan - Zangetsu that is more or less similar, but not precisely the same.
P.S. And yes, I agree with those, who are tired of Aizen, but it's Bleach, it can't be without him.)
Well Isshin used FGT, this theory is basically supported by two things:
1. Isshin knows about FGT, whole procedure of acquiring it.
2. Isshin lost his powers.
May be he lost his powers due to some other reason, but so far this Isnt stated in the manga so this theory can still be true or false until Kubo shed some light on it.
1. Well, knowing about Bankai and the procedure of acquiring it, doesn't mean you have it.
2. He didn't loose his powers. It was clearly stated after he took down Grand Fisher that he actually abandoned them. And there is a big difference between loosing powers and abandoning them.
It seems more plausible that Isshin used the same Urahara's gigai as Rukia used, thus abandoning his Shinigami powers. Urahara was even worried if Isshin would blame him for this.
Here you go.
P.S. After this chapter it seems that Engetsu is actually some sort of a fire-based Zanpaktou. It would be great if Ichigo actually discovers more about his own Zan as it seems to be a mixture of Engetsu and a power of this Hollow.
Aizen wanted to zoom the show, Aizen order the blind to zoom it, realize that the blind cannot see a shit, Aizen joins the fight with a back-slash.
Sure my kind of villain
Nice chapter always coming from Tite.
Last edited by Mr. Arashi; March 28, 2013 at 12:57 AM. Reason: funny
So he abandoned his powers, then i guess he forfeit his powers willingly for masaki (Cause that might be only logical explaination left for abandoning his powers.. Unless Urahara didnt meant that he willingly used FGT thus abandoning his powers), and Toshiro and Matsumoto not recognising (Not showing any signs of recognition to be precise) him may be the part of the agreement between Isshin and SS, once he left behind every thing for masaki.
Been thinking about Getsuga and it's obviously a power that uses the wielders own energy. I remember Ichigo used to get completely taxed when we would use it. Maybe it's a Quincy type of technique? It would explain why Engetsu is an element type but Isshin can still use Getsuga, I'd assume he learned it from Masaki.
I know haven't been here in a while I'm sending this thru my phone. But now all the piece fit. Someone said that she's gonna get attacked by that hollow and that really what's going to happen. Just not this second... I can't say what or who caused the order of the quinces to be exterminated probably Aizen due to Masaaki sudden appearance along with others he didn't get to see the end result of his experiment. She's gonna a save Isshin which explains why Ryuu doesnt like Isshin he ended up with her. So after the order to destroy the quinces came Isshin protected a pregnant Masaaki from that hollow but not after she was injured by it he ended up using fgt to protect his wife and kid. But now heres the twist masaki is probably buckbeards daughter which furthers his hatred toward) shinigami due to his daughter dying while being married to onew or at least having kids by one. So doesnt that make Ichigo = Upper class shinigami (which makes some Uncle Ganj lol) - Upper class quincy(uncle ryuu and cousin is hidalgo - V. Lord - and has the crystal energy. But damn how over powering can you get if ishia taught he how to draw in energy than no matter what he could hit you with a black moon fang anytime he wanted. Man the ideas are endless damn so how in the hell did he lose all of his powers.
Masaki calling Ishida's mother 'auntie' can be because of two reasons:
1) She's been living there for a while and sees Ishida's mother as her aunt as a result.
2) She's doing it as a sign of respect to pretend like she's completely happy about the situation, i.e. simply putting up a front.
Based on what Ryoken said in 530, the second scenario seems more plausible.
That's all a matter of interpretation and the translation might not even be completely accurate. You're saying that there's a difference between abandoning the powers and losing them, yet your theory results in him losing his powers..? In any case, I seriously doubt Isshin would have used the same Gigai as the one Rukia used. It doesn't make sense. This would result in him losing his powers on purpose for no apparent reason, which, quite frankly, is dumb. Furthermore, why would Urahara be 'worried' (which he wasn't, at all) about Isshin blaming him if that was what Isshin had wanted? None of it makes sense.
If he had simply abandoned his Shinigami powers, then it makes a lot more sense if he used the same Gigai as Urahara and the Vizards, namely the one that completely masks reiatsu. That way, he could have 'abandoned' his Shinigami self by simply staying in that Gigai.
Last edited by Azuma; March 28, 2013 at 02:40 AM.
Okay, looks like it's been mentioned already in this thread, but it looks like Getsuga Tenshou was used by Ishinn when Engetsu was in its sealed state (this fight has confirmed that it's not permanently in its Shikai state, and he didn't appear to release it before he attacked Aizen). That possibly means that Getsuga Tenshou has NOTHING to do with neither Ichigo's or Ishinn's Shikai or Bankai. It looks like we might see Zangetsu's "true" powers down the line!!!