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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
IMO Hashirama was way too Sincere and Naive, Him offering madara to be the councelor would have been right if Madara havent lost the popularity among his people, which was evident from his own words and actions of Uchihas.
Tobirama is the ultimate pragmatic and he was right ... use democracy ... you don't wanna have a dictatorship ... also imagine Obama having a treaty with Bin Laden, nobody in their right mind would want him to be a leader in the US ... same applies here ... Madara had numerous chances in the past to form a treaty yet he wanted to fight, because deep down he wanted to rule ... it is his fault that his brother is dead ... he has no one to blame but himself ... Hashirama chose to be the bigger man, Madara didn't ... I think that even Tobirama would follow if people would want Madara as their leader, yet I think that even Uchiha's themselves knew that wasn't a good option ...
you have to ask yourself ... why everybody hated Madara and loved Hashirama? they had a democracy voting yet I presume Hashirama won by a landslide ... why is that? him and uchiha's give off weird vibe because deep down they care only for themselves ... they wanted peace because THEY were tired of fighting not because it would cease fighting all over the world as Hashirama and Senju's were aiming for ... We've that only Shisui and Itachi were truly Konoha shinobi others were Uchiha
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I would put Obito on that list. Most defenetly. Obito cared for other people, thing is then he found Madara and... Well you know the rest.
I am sure there are more. Even Sasuke to the point he whent nuts. He cared for Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi and other people. Sasuke would have died for Naruto and Sakura.
No way. If he was before Madara in Hashirama's place he would most defenetly reach out of him and not kill him like Tobirama wanted. Minato had a fight with Bee and Raikage, when he was about to leave he told Raikage how to save Bee... He is defenetly not Tobirama like, he is serious but that is about as much as he can be considered Tobirama.Quote:
Otherwise I agree with the general point...we are talking about a world with ninjas here, so Madara's character is more in the gray area...
PS: but that face...reminds me of Oro
Ok, so my theory about Hashirama wanting Madara to be Hokage was confirmed.
Also, Tobirama is really a complete fuckwad when it comes to dealing with Uchiha.
There is no denying that now, he was the one who pressed Madara to leave the village and start the Moon Eye Plan, Madara's attack just served as the excuse he needed to place the Uchiha under the segregating conditions which ultimately lead to their downfall.
You can see that Madara's motivation for everything is now closer to that of Obito on a much wider scale, he couldn't protect his loved ones and those he held as friends (the Uchiha and Hashirama) slipped like Kakashi and let his worst fear become a reality.
Henceforth, Madara decided he was done with reality, he would create a new world where Izuna and his other brothers were alive and happy, a world where Hashirama was his friend since childhood and where Itama and Kawarama were also alive so that Tobirama never become a biggot.
For Madara, there is truly no hope for this world, the only Konoha he cares for now is the one in his dreams.
all of those actions have selfish motives ... yet Shisui and Itachi were vastly different ... they cared for the village and its people to the point they were willing to sacrifice Uchiha's (because they acted selfishly in the end as did Madara)
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Not selfish, they got manipulated. You could say they where not strong enough (will) but not selfish. Obito decided t osave the world not rull it. He just found a way where nobody would ever die. No more pain.
Sasuke himself was manipulated all his life. Starting with Itachi. You can't really blame just him. He got where he is because a lot of events and past hate in Konoha got him here. You also need to understand that the Uchiha are cursed. The loss for them is like a real mental problem. He is not exacly stable in the head.
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Seems what ever on that tablet he read has influenced his hatred and turned him to the dark side oh well he suits being evil
Called it: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...=1#post3358462
I knew that hashirama would kill himself immediately without even flinching, and that madara would stop him.
Called it to 100%