He retreated utilising a smoke bomb, in other words escaped, that wasn't the Senju simply allowing him to walk away.Quote:
And I don't have any evidence to support that the remaining three Uchiha are most wanted criminals, and absolutely detested throughout the land? Have you been reading the manga? Obito using Madara's legend doesn't take away the fact that the entire ninja world moved to end him. Sasuke betrayed Konoha, studied under Oro, attacked Bee, this attack lead to the Kage Summit, where he attempted to take on the Five Kages. And your thoughts are that he isn't particularly wanted? And I never suggested that the world would be at peace, I suggested that the world wouldn't be facing the type and scale of conflict it is facing at the moment.Quote:
His conviction got the desired result, but not in the way he expected or planned. He intended to take his life, that much is absolutely clear. The result of that plan would've been Madara's death and the extermination of the Uchiha. He was naïve because he believed his death would put the two clans on a path to peace. And what is this talk about being righteous to be trusted. That never once was a factor in this discussion, which was the reason I ignored your analogies. I pointed out that Hashirama's statement showed that the villagers lacked trust for Madara. You suggested otherwise. This wasn't about whether they were right, when it came to their thoughts on Madara at the time. It was their thoughts. So the fact that you suggest that they were wrong in their distrust of Madara, shows that you accept that they distrusted Madara. And that is the assertion that you disagreed with at the beginning of this conversation, and the one that's served as the basis of the conversation. And Madara left where, you realise that the conversation I was referring to was the one that preceded the 24 hour long battle that brought Madara down. Nothing occurred between those words and the battle.Quote:
Could you maybe point to something specific that Tobirama did that would be considered 'persecution' of he Uchiha? Seeing as some continue to have those thoughts about the Uchiha, it clearly wouldn't have been something easily dismissed. Risk can be long-term, there isn't any immediacy to the word risk. The suggestion of more short-term risk accompanies the analogy, your original analogy I might add.Quote:
Once again, what had Tobirama done before Madara's departure that was so damning? It was you that decided to refer to 'decisions' that Tobirama made prior to Madara's betrayal. Maybe Madara was seen as support for the rumours. And I've yet to see some heinous persecution of the Uchihas by Tobirama. And Obito initiated said war under the teachings of Madara. Just because he wasn't there at the time doesn't change the fact that he laid the groundwork and put Obito on the path to the current war. If a leader orders a subordinate to take actions to initiate a war, the war isn't simply the doing of the subordinate, it is also the will of the leader. Suggesting it once was one thing, but repeating the idea that Madara simply wished to continue a rivalry is just ridiculous. Madara outrights states his reasons for departing, he takes actions far beyond the rivalry, and long after his defeat and Hashirama's death he continues on this path he set years before.Quote:
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If Madara wasn't a threat to village or Ninja system, Hashirama wouldn't agree to a fight till death with him. At some point even an optimist like Hashirma started to think him as a threat, this means he did turn in to evil. What made him become that ,
1. Strong desire to make peace because of the losses he sustained.
2. Desire to show every one that Madara is not inferior.
3. Trying to prove that he accomplished what Hashirama couldn't by giving a twisted version of peaceful world.
4. He thought himself as a misunderstood child and lost all hope after death of Hashirama or his battle at VOTE.
we may only know it via Madara's flashback. But till then we only know that Tobirama was right in suspecting Madara.
Maybe VOTE happened because madara unveiled his plan of eternal peace to hashi????
VOTE happened because Madara found a bullshit motive to engage with Hashirama so he can steal his DNA. Gues work true but i am allmost sure on it.
From the recent chapter, we all know that hashirama CAn give up his life for madara's sake. So it isn't impossible at all that hashirama himself donated his cell/DNA to madara as a sign of their friendship.
We all know how powerful hashirama is compared to madara. So I doubt madara can steal that sna/cell to hashirama. Maybe when hashirama stabbed/defeated madara, he gave those cell/DNA to healed madara's wound.
Or maybe when madara was dying, hashirama transferred some of his flesh to madara to saved him.
As much as Hashirama likes Madara he would not help him do bad stuff... For him to donate his DNA "just because" makes no sense. Madara would need to give him a good reason and the "i whant to make you zombies in my reality" would not determine Hashirama to help him lol.
As how could Madara get it? A simple stab with a kunai to get some blood (Hashirama would heal that NP) and he has it. Cutting some HAIR from Hashirama's head or whatever. Madara would have no need to actualy defeat Hashirama to get some DNA.
Question is why did Madara not just go to Hashirama's barber, get a job to swip the floors and then just get some hair?
"VOTE happened because Madara found a bullshit motive to engage with Hashirama so he can steal his DNA. Gues work true but i am allmost sure on it."
pretty much everything madara has done was based on bullshit motives
just like obito
theres really no difference
lol. Who changed the name of the board to 'The Adventrues of Hashirama's DNA'? hahaha. That is pretty much what's been going on. It's like the drug in 'Limitless' except there are no side-effects and it's 1000 times better.
And madara isn't orochimaru either, a mad scientist. So how come he can utilized hashirama's DNA/blood/hair/saliva without any sort of lab paraphernalia?
That's an indication that hashirama's DNA/flesh was directly applied to his wound. And the only who can do that is hashirama. Seeing the pathetic state of madara, hashirama was voluntarily applied/transferred his flesh directly to madara's wound to saved his ass.
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Hope 626 is the last chapter going in to there past it was very interesting, I enjoyed it but lets get back to the story