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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Und3rH3ro View Post
    Im sure Kenchi may get a good hit in before one of the masters steps in.
    I would facepalm if this happens. It'd be insanely ridiculous for an expert to get a hit on a super master like Ogata, especially when we see how people in his class fodderize master level opponents. Like Sakaki vs the politician, and Sakaki was injured to boot.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Zakaki was injured, did precisely everything he told the shinpaku guys not to do during the fight and to boot even pointed to his injury. Kenichi not only doesn't have any business hitting ogaata once, he shouldn't even be capable of hitting fortuna once..... Master class fighters are still beyond kenichi. Heck, kenichi couldn't even stand against pengulu on his own and he was beneath fortuna (fortuna being an actual master class and pengulu being an expert). Of course, tanaka shouldn't last a second although if that fight does happen it will likely take an akira vs junazad approach.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Wow Matsuena-sensei doesn't disappoint. Here we all are saying "wow the kenichi-berserker fight is gonna be awesome!" "Miu's gonna go nuts!" "Ryuuto Asamiya secrets incoming!" And what's Matsuena Syun do? He kills Rimi off, has Ogata bitch-slap Miu half to death, and has Kenichi attack a Super Master.
    I dunno about y'all but I did not see that coming.
    And questions about Kenichi's ability aside, how about that very dou-like reaction there. Getting pissed off, screaming obscenities, then attacking, full-force someone you have no chance against doesn't seem very "sei".
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day. --Robert Jordan, The Wheel of Time
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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Akira vs Junazard was a fight between 2 super masters. Tanaka vs Kensei is a fight between an expert and a super master.

    In this manga we have yet to see a 1 vs 1 battle where someone of inferior rank defeats someone with a superior rank. Even if they were different in power, Akira and Junazard were both on the same class.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lectro Volpi View Post
    Akira vs Junazard was a fight between 2 super masters. Tanaka vs Kensei is a fight between an expert and a super master.

    In this manga we have yet to see a 1 vs 1 battle where someone of inferior rank defeats someone with a superior rank. Even if they were different in power, Akira and Junazard were both on the same class.
    You've seen that "fight" right ? you saw how Akira "rise from the dead" and then mortally wound Junazard, we call that a complete and utter BS.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuzaki L View Post
    You've seen that "fight" right ? you saw how Akira "rise from the dead" and then mortally wound Junazard, we call that a complete and utter BS.
    He always went for one-hit-kill, it was the head or chest while Junazard just punched him and "pierced his kidneys" (he pierced nothing actually). It changes not the fact that they were on the same class.

    MS version is up http://mangastream.com/read/hsdk/42662376/1
    Last edited by Lectro Volpi; March 26, 2013 at 04:22 AM.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Akira and junazad were by no means in the same class. Both of them have been refered to as super masters however the fact remains that junazad was superior to akira in literally every regard as far as martial arts go. junazad was faster, stronger, more agile, better reflexes and to boot was superior in terms of pure technique to the point where he could school hongo in that area and point out where his flaws were. Akira won however the manga at large did show junazad not only being stronger than akira but also stronger than akira and sakaki together. The fight lasted long because junazad was enjoying himself, if he had wanted to he could have ended the fight as soon as it started.
    Last edited by kkck; March 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    @kick: fix your post, dude. "Akira was superior to Akira" ? He could school Hongo? Isn't his name Akira Hongo?
    And if y'all wanna talk about previous chapters head to the proper thread.
    Anyway...maybe Ogata will attempt to kidnap Kenichi. He's expressed interest in the past and even tried after the end of the Ryuuto-Kenichi fight.
    Possibility number two: Kenichi with his dou-like attitude right now accidentally activates Sei Duo Gouitsu on his own. Or given his propensity to experiment this whole fight, the rumble at the water park, was a setup by Ogata to induce it in someone he believes can withstand it. Given Kenichi's durability he might be the only one who can (among the disciples anyway).
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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lectro Volpi View Post
    He always went for one-hit-kill, it was the head or chest while Junazard just punched him and "pierced his kidneys" (he pierced nothing actually). It changes not the fact that they were on the same class.
    The amount of blood he lost is enough to kill him or at least render him unconscious

    Edit: Can Akira take on Hayato and win ?
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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Akira and junazad were by no means in the same class. Both of them have been refered to as super masters
    This is all I need. The difference in power was not enough to put Junazard in his own class, after super master is Hayato "The strongest man on earth" or wait until Saiga for a more specific point. They were still in the same class: "super master".

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuzaki L View Post
    The amount of blood he lost is enough to kill him or at least render him unconscious

    Edit: Can Akira take on Hayato and win ?
    Junazard thought he was piercing Akira's vital points (kidneys), but Akira was using Naizouage all along, which means he was not THAT dead. Apachai's dead condition was confirmed by Agaard and the barbarian sword user while in Akira's case it was Silcardo assuming it based on the "fact" that he was piercing his kidneys. People comming back from the dead is not science fiction, there is even a show on discovery about that: I saw the case of a kid who got hit with a baseball and his heart stopped beating for 5 minutes, he was dead for 5 minutes and recovered with just some memory loss despite oxygen not going to his brain for 5 minutes.

    This manga says that you die (non-protagonist case) if

    Disciple: bullets (Sho Kano and Akira who was a master, was put near death)

    Master: hole through the body (Apachai, Silcardo, good masters from weapons division)

    Akira's organs were fine, or his kidneys were pierced? His lungs exploded? His heart was crushed? Nah.

    The Elder is called "the strongest man on earth" and since there can only be a #1, he is on his own tier. Akira can't defeat him.

    We the fans, are the ones that say that power means everything while in the manga when someone says that he is corrected... Every time. Even in other mangas happens:

    Bartholomew Kuma: no battle has a certain outcome. (...) Who could have predicted that Rob Lucci would be defeated?

    The purpose of all of this is that we have no reason to believe someone of inferior rank defeating someone of higher rank, there is a big difference on what a disciple can do and what a master can do. The cases mentioned are of people in the same class. Tanaka may be a Kenichi on steroids but his demostration of power is clearly below Kensei.

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    So.... you take half a sentence of mine and use it out of context to make a point?
    Not out of context, they were both super masters! That is the thing, deal wit it.
    Last edited by Lectro Volpi; March 27, 2013 at 07:36 AM.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Oi oi.

    Take this Junazad-Akira stuff to the hangout thread, this isn't the place for it. I understand that you're comparing it to what may happen, but I think we're getting a little off track.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    speaking of Sagia He is not going to take it well to him hitting his daughter

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lectro Volpi View Post
    This is all I need. The difference in power was not enough to put Junazard in his own class, after super master is Hayato "The strongest man on earth" or wait until Saiga for a more specific point. They were still in the same class: "super master".



    Junazard thought he was piercing Akira's vital points (kidneys), but Akira was using Naizouage all along, which means he was not THAT dead. Apachai's dead condition was confirmed by Agaard and the barbarian sword user while in Akira's case it was Silcardo assuming it based on the "fact" that he was piercing his kidneys. People comming back from the dead is not science fiction, there is even a show on discovery about that: I saw the case of a kid who got hit with a baseball and his heart stopped beating for 5 minutes, he was dead for 5 minutes and recovered with just some memory loss despite oxygen not going to his brain for 5 minutes.

    This manga says that you die (non-protagonist case) if

    Disciple: bullets (Sho Kano and Akira who was a master, was put near death)

    Master: hole through the body (Apachai, Silcardo, good masters from weapons division)

    Akira's organs were fine, or his kidneys were pierced? His lungs exploded? His heart was crushed? Nah.

    The Elder is called "the strongest man on earth" and since there can only be a #1, he is on his own tier. Akira can't defeat him.

    We the fans, are the ones that say that power means everything while in the manga when someone says that he is corrected... Every time. Even in other mangas happens:

    Bartholomew Kuma: no battle has a certain outcome. (...) Who could have predicted that Rob Lucci would be defeated?

    The purpose of all of this is that we have no reason to believe someone of inferior rank defeating someone of higher rank, there is a big difference on what a disciple can do and what a master can do. The cases mentioned are of people in the same class. Tanaka may be a Kenichi on steroids but his demostration of power is clearly below Kensei.
    So.... you take half a sentence of mine and use it out of context to make a point? Junazad and akira were obviously on different classes, the guy was effectively able to give akira the fodder treatment.

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    loool i think kenichi needs to run away
    he is not ready to fight a master
    i think he will land a hit using Kensei Ma's new technique

    Tsutomu Tanaka will interrupt afterwards to try and kill him.

    ---------- Post added at 08:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:49 PM ----------

    i was thinking that Tsutomu Tanaka maybe able to at least hand a hit on ogata

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    Re: HSDK Chapter 515 discussion/ 516 predictions

    Hey! Did you notice?

    *Miu went wild on Kensei and called him monster.
    *Kensei hands her ass and says how much he hates katsujinken.
    *Kenichi goes wild on Kensei and calls him bastard.
    *Kensei blocked and says "woaah there" to Kenichi.

    Kensei choose the "calm down man" on Kenichi because he is fond of him instead of beating him like he did with Miu?

    Daily reminder: you will never get chocolates from Saiga nor learn math from him.

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