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Thread: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    I am going to say only one thing. Or maybe two. 1) Rules in Naruto are clearly meant to be broken. 2)Twists sell.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    And yet those legends were all ironed out and we saw what was real and what wasn't. The legend about the Hyuuga birthing the Uchiha was obviously false. But the fact that mixing Senju and Uchiha DNA creates the Sages eyes should be enough evidence to prove they came from the same cloth, that they were the two descendants of the Sage.

    The Uzumaki's branched off from the Senju because it was something that happened much more recently. It wasn't a legend, it was never up for debate it was a known fact between the clans. So there is no debating that one.
    It was never up for debate that the Uchiha are an off-shoot of the Hyuuga; yet it all turned out to be otherwise so. And even then, that is something like 5 people know. Most people in the Naruto-verse should still believe Hyuuga -> Uchiha. So why do you expect them to disbelieve Senju -> Uzumaki. They believed the thing about the Hyuuga and the Uchiha and we still have members from both clans. The Senju and the Uzumaki are almost all wiped out so it is more difficult to find the truth about those clans. (Tsunade, Karin and Naruto are left but they didn't know about the sage)

    We know mixing Senju + Uchiha creates the Rinnegan, we also know the Uzumaki can also show the S06 powers as evidenced by Nagato (the rinnegan - Tobi couldn't have given Nagato the actual eyes because Madara didn't have them yet), Kushina (Host of most powerful Bjuu), Mito (same) and Naruto (S06 cloak). You could wave that off and say it is because they are part Senju, but none of them are related to the Uchiha. So there is wiggle room.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    First off, the "rules are made to be broken" and the debate about history happens because Kishi rectons the manga and changes his own story.

    We recently (in terms of the storyline) found out the Uzumakis were an off-shoot of the Senju clan. And it wasn't stated as a rumor, it was stated as a fact, as in the Uzumakis haven't been around long enough for their origin to be in question.

    Secondly, anyone can use the Rinnegan once it's already been activated. We've seen non Uchiha's use the Sharigan, and non-Hyuuga use a Byuakygan.

    Madara gave his eyes to Nagato, we know this. Does it necessarily make sense yet? No, but Madara has stated he gave Nagato his Rinnegan eyes so it's a fact, not up for debate.

    Not one Uzumaki aside from Nagato (thanks to the Rinnegan) has used the powers of the Sage, so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea. Hosting a Biju is not a power of the Sage, nor is Naruto activated the Sage's cloak via his fathers seal with the Kyuubi's chakra.
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    But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie. Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    We recently (in terms of the storyline) found out the Uzumakis were an off-shoot of the Senju clan. And it wasn't stated as a rumor, it was stated as a fact, as in the Uzumakis haven't been around long enough for their origin to be in question.
    Just like how it was stated as a fact that the Hyuuga lead to the Uchiha until the rumour of the S06 turned out to be true.


    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Madara gave his eyes to Nagato, we know this. Does it necessarily make sense yet? No, but Madara has stated he gave Nagato his Rinnegan eyes so it's a fact, not up for debate.
    Madara has lied throughout the entire manga, specifically because this was something Tobi said. He gave Nagato the Rinnegan, we don't know how. It could have been just a matter of arranging certain things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Not one Uzumaki aside from Nagato (thanks to the Rinnegan) has used the powers of the Sage, so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea. Hosting a Biju is not a power of the Sage, nor is Naruto activated the Sage's cloak via his fathers seal with the Kyuubi's chakra.
    All of those are things that the S06 did that were special to him. There is no reason to rule out that the S06 could be an Uzumaki.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    Just like how it was stated as a fact that the Hyuuga lead to the Uchiha until the rumour of the S06 turned out to be true..
    The Hyuuga/Uchiha connection was never stated as fact. Even back then, it was called a rumor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    Madara has lied throughout the entire manga, specifically because this was something Tobi said. He gave Nagato the Rinnegan, we don't know how. It could have been just a matter of arranging certain things..
    You're confusing Obito for Madara, who has never been shown lying. He would have no reason to lie to Obito about giving Nagato his eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    All of those are things that the S06 did that were special to him. There is no reason to rule out that the S06 could be an Uzumaki.
    There's plenty of reasons to rule it out.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post
    The Sage of the Six Paths is the man from whom the Senju and Uchiha arel descended from.

    Since the Uzumaki are related to the Senju through marriage, he's technically one of their ancestors. Possibly an ancestor of the Hyuga clan, too.
    They never said anything about Marriage.

    My theory is the Uzumaki branched from one of the earliest Senju generations, it very well could be the Younger son had 2 kids, one of them continued the Senju line and the other gave rise to the Uzumaki clan.

    They are specialized sealing experts with special chakra and long lives, they describe what a Senju is better than the actual Senju do. Their clan was probably kept very pure compared to the Senju who diluted into Hashirama and then into nothing noteworthy.

    That pretty much is the only way to make sense of the Uzumaki and Naruto's connection to Rikudo.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    Just like how it was stated as a fact that the Hyuuga lead to the Uchiha until the rumour of the S06 turned out to be true.
    And that was a rumor, it wasn't a fact. The Uzumaki's descending from the Senju was stated as a fact. Please read what I actually wrote. There wasn't any room for debate when this topic was brought up in the manga.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    Madara has lied throughout the entire manga, specifically because this was something Tobi said. He gave Nagato the Rinnegan, we don't know how. It could have been just a matter of arranging certain things.
    Madara has not lied about a single thing, he hasn't even been in the manga long enough to lie about anything . Obito was the one who lied about the Kyuubi attack and that was it. Everything else Obito has said has proven to be true. Again, Madara giving Nagato the Rinnegan is a fact that is not up for debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    All of those are things that the S06 did that were special to him. There is no reason to rule out that the S06 could be an Uzumaki.
    The Sage isn't the only one to house a Biju. People who are completely unrelated to the Sage's lineage have housed Biju as Jinchuriki before, it is not something that is unique to him or his off-spring.

    And there is a reason to doubt he is an Uzumaki. His sons were the for fathers of the Senju and Uchiha clan. The Uzumaki's were descendants of the Senju. How in the hell could the Sage be from a clan that didn't even come into existence until long after his death?

    The whole reason Naruto is able to resemble the Sage is because he is an Uzumaki, a clan the descended from the Senju and share a lot in common in them. He also has a seal on him that is based on the Sage's designs, and he has the Kyuubi in him, which is giving him amazing life force and new powers when it's chakra goes through the seal.

    I really don't understand how this is even up for debate.
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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    it could also be the mother of the 2 sons (SO6P had a wife?)...later gave birth (maybe with someone else...maybe being pregnant when SO6P died)
    Or he could have had a brother/sister who had children
    Or he could have had more than 2 sons
    Or he could have had a daughter
    Or he was revived

    So many possible ways for his blood to start a third lineage

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    And that was a rumor, it wasn't a fact. The Uzumaki's descending from the Senju was stated as a fact. Please read what I actually wrote. There wasn't any room for debate when this topic was brought up in the manga.
    Distant blood relatives.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-54942-...apter-500.html

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    Them being distance blood relatives makes the theory even less likely, because the farther the Uzumaki's are from the Senju means the farther they are from the Sage.
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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    do put some consideration in it..

    so6p had two sons- one got the body and the other got the eyes

    has ever been stated that one son=senju and the other uchiha???

    i find it interesting the uzumaki are more closer to so6p than senju...

    they have longer lives and sealing techs..which were needed to seal the jyubi...

    it is even shown that uzumaki can survive the extraction of biju.....

    Just food for thought.....


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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Them being distance blood relatives makes the theory even less likely, because the farther the Uzumaki's are from the Senju means the farther they are from the Sage.
    Not really, it just means the branches got further and further apart from each other through the years before they got back together when Konoha was founded. So S06P = 'random' Uzumaki, gets a kid that becomes the Senju. Couple of centuries later: Senju kid has x descendants, S06P's brothers/sisters have x descendants with each being further apart.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitsthegame View Post
    do put some consideration in it..

    so6p had two sons- one got the body and the other got the eyes

    has ever been stated that one son=senju and the other uchiha???

    i find it interesting the uzumaki are more closer to so6p than senju...

    they have longer lives and sealing techs..which were needed to seal the jyubi...

    it is even shown that uzumaki can survive the extraction of biju.....

    Just food for thought.....
    It was made clear that the two sons became the Senju and Uchiha clans. And Uzumaki aren't closer to the Rikudou Sennin. Neither the Rikudou Sennin nor the Uzumaki clan have been said to have "long lives", and various groups have sealing techniques that all originated from the Rikudou Sennin's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    Not really, it just means the branches got further and further apart from each other through the years before they got back together when Konoha was founded. So S06P = 'random' Uzumaki, gets a kid that becomes the Senju. Couple of centuries later: Senju kid has x descendants, S06P's brothers/sisters have x descendants with each being further apart.
    If that was the case, then the Uzumaki would also have been called distance relatives to the Uchiha clan too. Also, that's not how genetics would work. Just like how the Senju and Uchiha clan is different from the original clans that spawn them, with such a generational drift, the Uzumaki clan would not still be the Uzumaki clan after all this time.

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    Re: SO6P was an Uzumaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    It was made clear that the two sons became the Senju and Uchiha clans. And Uzumaki aren't closer to the Rikudou Sennin. Neither the Rikudou Sennin nor the Uzumaki clan have been said to have "long lives", and various groups have sealing techniques that all originated from the Rikudou Sennin's.
    I would really like to see the manga image where it is stated that senju and uchiha are the direct descendent of so6p..

    If u read kushina's convo with naruto she specifically stated that uzumaki were known for 2 things: sealing techs and long lives....

    So6p is still a mystery..i base my theory on the fact that i believe jyubi is the origin of all ninjutsu..before so6p there were only sealing techs...and uzumaki's were expert in it

    the so6p needed those techs in order to seal the jyubi inside of him....


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