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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Last edited by Avid; March 25, 2013 at 08:59 PM.
You guys can believe what you believe. The way the situation on Jaya for me was like this:
The way BB talked was hint enought for Luffy and Zoro to see that he is in fact a Member of a pitrate crew. They didnt know that he was BlackBeard - The one Ace talked about at this point. But his story about pirates Dreams - makes it clear that he is no ordinary guy but indeed a Member of a pirates crew.
I absolutely dont believe Luffy and Zoro sensed some kind of Chimera in him, or dead sibling inside his body.
No, they just knew, someone who talks like that, must be a pirate. And as a pirate on the Grand line he must have a crew. Thats what Luffy and zoro figured out after hearing his words.
Come on, the chapter basically introduced every crewmember BB had with him at java. The theory that BB is a quimera or has some sort of twin inside of him is far fetched enough already but going as far as saying that luffy and zoro felt that is not only ridiculous but completely ignores the point, them and context of those chapters. Luffy and zoro simply were able to tell BB was a pirate with a crew, nothing else.
I think yami yami no mi is the reason why Blackbeard can have more than one devil fruit. The whole two bodies thing make no sense, but his yami yami no mi seems to have interesting powers like sucking things up and rendering devil fruits useless.
What if Blackbeard is a siamese twin? Or, if not that, he was a chimera. And I don't mean in the mythological sense, but in the medical one. Perhaps his body is composed so that it tricks the DFs into thinking he is two people. We don't really know how a DF works or changes the user's body, aside from the power it gives. Does it affect the blood? Genetics? Tissue? Brain? We don't know.
Or, it's just the Yami Yami no Mi.
I, too, believe that this cerberus theory is valid. Even if you look at his pirate flag, there is a formation of 3 skulls. strawhat pirates have one skull with strawhat, shanks has one skull with 3 scars, whitebeard one skull with beard, big mom skull with hair and lips, buggy skull with nose,
so why 3 skulls on blackbeards flag.
further I don't think his devil fruit gave BB the ability to take the gura gura no mi, because CC doesn't have the yami yami no mi and can create new devil fruits, and doflamingo got ace's fruit, but I don't think they digged the corpse out for retrieving the fruit -.-
so I really do think and hope, that BB is actually not 2, but 3 people.
Last edited by Muhbaer; March 26, 2013 at 07:50 PM. Reason: typo
CC did not need an ability to create devil fruit. He is a former colleague of Vegapunk, and learned from him how to make devil fruit in a lab. Vegapunk developed techniques for creating new fruit, implanting them, and removing them. CC applied that knowledge to creating SAD. Teach would need some other way of extracting devil fruit, unrelated to CC and Vegapunk.
The yami yami no mi is gravitation, a force that sucks everything in. It can allow Teach to nullify other abilities by touch. Actually being able to steal abilities is not that big a step from there. He had to do something to extract Whitebeard's devil fruit.
Cerberus seems far fetched to me. Viable, feasible, but not at all pleasing. Already having a cerberus zoan, allowing him to absorb a second ability, seems like to much of a deus ex machina to me. I am not that familiar with the theory, so please, correct me if I am wrong.
Last edited by Kaiten; March 26, 2013 at 05:58 PM.
imo BB took an apple under the curtain with whitebeard and it transformed into a devilfruit. then he ate it and left the curtain. Like the devilfruit that reappeared when slime was born.
Oda left us strange hints like the flag, weird quotes and the references to his special body structure... maybe it wasn't there just to mislead us.
After reading most posts here, I think I've got a completely different outtake on not 'how' he can have 2 devil fruit abilities but 'why'.
I think it has to do with him having the initial "D." in his name. Marshall D. Teach.
I've gotten this idea because of how in the latest chapters there's so much focus on the fact that Ace's Devil fruit, the Mera Mera fruit, should take the interest of Luffy.
I've always thought Luffy not to be the kind of person that deliberately wanted an easy power-up for himself or his crew. So why would DonFlamingo (or Oda-sensei) say he will be interested in another devil fruit (even if it's his brother's.) Could it be maybe that Oda-sensei will make Luffy eat Ace's devil fruit?
That's where my thoughts led me to the only other one with 2 devil fruit abilities and their one big similarity, their initial 'D.' Could it be that 'D' stands for Devil, a person able to handle more than 1 devil fruits? Fruits for a devil as you might say.
It's just a hypothesis. But possibly interesting?
P.S. This is my first post here, but I've been coming here to read some threads from time to time.
Luffy's interest in Ace's DF would not be for the quick powerup at all.... Luffy would want the fruit for the sentimental value, it was an intrinsic part of his beloved brother for years. Also, eating the fruit would kinda ruin one of the themes luffy has going on. Oda said that he wanted to create a main character who instead of a badass ability would have a silly ability of sorts. With that in mind I don't think oda will actually change that at all. Luffy will most likely want the fruit as a keepsake. It would be interesting if he ever finds someone to whom he would give the ability or perhaps someone who like luffy eats the fruit by accident.
i think resone why BB have more then one DF is because of his first DF. well even if he have have other/different body i think he needed that DF . its can also explain why he now collecting/hunting DF users and not before he have his first DF. some will say he didnt wanted to come on reader but even that time he can have one DF and stay out of reader.
I think Nami asking Luffy and Zoro if he has companions is a red herring to make the scene more ambigious. Him having a crew or not would have been rather irrelevant for them if you think about it . Quite frankly, I don't even see why they would respond by saying that he has a crew. If you interpret it as they saying he has a crew, a paraphrased scene would be something like this, which makes little sense:
Nami: He probably knows something about the Sky Island.
Zoro & Luffy: Don't know. It's not a "he" though, he has companions.
It is far more logical that they corrected her when she assumed that he's one person, to me at least, and in line with the direction of the conversation.
But anyway, yami yami no mi is the only thing that makes sense as to why Blackbeard can have two devil fruits... unless he just absorbed the power instead of the devil fruit?