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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Considering many of them already left Madara's side and joined with Hashirama, considering even Madara stating how he belives there are none to avenge him and when the Hokage seat was open the Uchiha whent with Hashirama... Clear sign they would not really go nuts for no good reason and ensure thier clan get's anihilated... Way better to join with the Senju and have real power.
I'm hoping Kishi just suddenly changes his mind and makes Naruto a mix of Part I and Pain Invasion arc Naruto again. Naruto could have been the best character after Itachi and Jiraiya's death, but that got messed up for some reason.
@M3J: Nevertheless they felt segregated - and thats what counts in the end. I think we can agree on that the Uchiha weren't happy with their status in the village which led to the coup and their slaughter. So Madaras death might have created another Madara, similar in strength and ability. Immagine Itachi being this kind of villian - the world would be in quite some danger.
Itachi's major weakness was his chakra. It took a day of fighting, 24 hours if I recall, for Madara to drop down from exhaustion. I doubt Itachi could last about an hour or two in such intensive fight. If he and Madara were equal on the chakra thing though, I think Itachi would have been much better than Madara. His wisdom would also have put his enemies in danger.
@M3J: Yeah, i agree on most things you said but: With the death of Madara by time his death might have been misinterpreted. Madara could've made into a matyr by some Uchihas. Their hatred might have pushed them somewhere where they'd be a danger for the village. I mean, the sole reason why Itachi told Sasuke to hate him was eventually to activate the amazing power that is resting inside him. Thats how "easy" it was to create a strong character among the Uchiha.
Kishi sort of finally revealed the ultimate weakness of sharingan: IF you are blessed with its (full) power somethings gone damn wrong in your life.
I doubt the Uchiha saw Madara as a martyr, only few probably did after Tobirama segregated them. Most probably saw Madara as the reason why they were segregated or vilified by Tobirama and the powers that be.
It was never that easy. Even with Sharingan and hatred, Sasuke wasn't strong enough. He still had to train hard to get the powers he had and has, whether with Kakashi or with Orochimaru. He hated Itachi but couldn't even land a finger on Itachi when they met in Part I again. It's not really as simple as people like to think it is. We even saw Madara and Izuna train hard to get the power they have.
I meant that if Madara was killed by Hashi/Tobirama he wouldve been considered a matyr!
On the rest you are right - ofc nothing happens without training, but the hatret Sasuke finally had for Itachi made him do all this training.
Oh. Probably, but I'm not sure since Madara did say none of the Uchiha agreed or sided with him anymore. He'd have to be popular or liked for that to happen.
The hatred Sasuke had motivated him to train and work even harder, like Naruto's desire to get as strong as Sasuke, if not stronger, motivated him to work even harder.
The Uchiha would need to be brain dead to not side with Hashirama. What would you take:
2-Become part of an alliance that would make you more powerfull then ever.
Only Madara in his hate and pain (losing his bros) could not accept this. I mean the Uchiha voted for Hashirama... They all wanted peace... Some even left Madara's side...
No way the Uchiha would have continued to fight. I mean why a matyr? He was ofered peace over and over, he had a fair fight with Hashirama a man of honor, respect, integrity and so on... Even Madara was ok to die by his hand...
the guy is ni the wrong place: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/5
juugo's accidental punch on orochimaru's secret lair
To paraphrase a certain quote:
"No Madara, no problem!"
This should've been the Senju's motto, which I'm sure would be taken by everyone else as well, seeing that even the Uchiha booted that psychopath out. Pretty much your list is accurate, but once again, if Hashirama would've killed him earlier, or allowed Tobirama to do it, the manga would make far, FAR TOO MUCH SENSE by Kishi's standards.
Naruto is not a manga about sense or logic, it's about the contrary.
Cosmonaut Kishimoto has boldly gone where no other human and alien beings went before.
Last edited by IChallengeYou!; April 06, 2013 at 07:11 AM.
The message was:
"Two equal strong clans, joined forces for the sake of peace, and builded a well functioning city, that helped a lot of problems."
If the Senju took the Uchida in and made a city with them through sheer force (They lost the war when Madara was beaten), then that would send a totally different message.
The message would never reach all the good and ideas it had, if they lost the war in the first place. Because then they were forced rather than doing it willingly.
This is the whole problem, this is why Hashirama needed Madara, cause Madara was seen as his equal, and thereby keeping the Senju and Uchiha seen equal to the rest of the world.
Had they not been seen equal, the message to the world would have been different and not as positive, it might not have had an impact at all to cause other villages to be build.