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I do think CE does boost his stat decisively aside from what have been said already like he's sensitivity being improved to an even higher level and being unpredictable.
Isn't Fuji who fought Niou!Tezuka before using CE the same Fuji at the end of his match against Shiraishi? If it is then...
Based from that panel, from what Shiraishi said, there is a significant boost in stats using CE.
Shiraishi never saw Fuji using CE though, right?
I'm wondering now, Fuji has ever used it to boost his stats? As far as I remember it, he used CE to counter Saiki and when he was blind.
He has never used CE outside of those two instances if that's what you're asking.
Also, CE was something he somehow accessed in a pinch, like how many characters access a new state for the first time. Its only in a pinch and they need to be pushed again to access it properly.
Although I do concede that its odd he didn't bring it out against Shiraishi.
To say CE "doesn't boost stats" at all is a big statement too. Prior to the match he hadn't surpassed Tezuka. After using CE he had "Surpassed Tezuka".
This is back at Kanto for instance. Regardless of Tezuka's standing, for him to have climbed above someone suggests some kind of stat lift I think.
Who said that?
Oh, Ryuzaki... moving on.
Lol, seriously, she prolly said that because Tezuka wouldn't be able to do something like CE... or because Fuji showed that he was better than the Tezuka that was as strong as the weakest Rikkai member... or because plot, I dunno.
Niou!Tezuka was outrallying Fuji prior to CE and I don't think it's because of him being mentally shaken (maybe at first he was) nor not being focused enough since Fuji himself stated that he's been looking forward to play against Tezuka, if anything it should boost (it did) his motivation ergo making him play better.
After that Fuji was able to rally against Niou!Tezuka equally (barely), Niou!Tezuka>=Motivated Fuji (Niou!Tezuka was still better).
Even if Saiki was sealed, Niou!Tezuka was still better than Fuji, if CE only counters Saiki, Niou!Tezuka should still be better at rallying than Fuji, but as we see with CE, Niou!Tezuka wasn't able to retaliate in any form, he wasn't able to get a score off from Fuji.
So based from that, CE should give Fuji a boost, he went from being stomped by Niou!Tezuka to destroying Niou!Tezuka, there is a definite stat increase there.
I think the reason he wasn't able to use CE against Shiraishi is because he hasn't mastered it yet ergo not able to use it at will. Against Kirihara, he wasn't able to use at will, he was forced to play blind and later unlocked CE and against Niou!Tezuka, he was able to use it at will.
This is going to be the last long post in a while that I promise Kaoz to make a debate, anyhow,
And if you agree that Jackal and Marui are close to each other and that you say before that Marui is not a high tier character, then I don't have much to argue about, really.
You're assuming that "things" are happening off scene. Players not using their special move is an "event" that happen in the match. If we're not shown that match, then assuming that doesn't have any extra proof. Lack of proof is not a proof.
If this match, we only know the score. That's it.
Let's see Fuwa vs Yukimura match, we can assume,
1. Fuwa win only 1 point, and the rest is long volley.
2. Fuwa was winning in many games (If we were to assume that he keep winning point, since he's the only one shown to win point in that match)
3. Yukimura was 6-6 with Fuwa or whatever score it is when Yips occur.
Is any of them not an assumption? They all can fit with what we've seen (1 point that Fuwa win). The only correct statement is to make say,
1. Fuwa win 1 point.
Similarly, the only confirm point here is
1. Marui beat Jackal in a very close tiebreaker.
Nothing else is confirm.
Fuji didn't get CE naturally though. He unlocked it.
When he first played, he had to hit from muscle-memory. In fact, he was getting eaten alive by Kirihara.
He then gradually managed to access it. He gradually began to tap into his hearing ability.
He used it to counter blindness but it was because he himself decided to try and focus his hearing (like a gotdamn bat) and get his hearing perfect to use CE.
He still is not shown to use CE out of his own will until his match with Niou. He can play fine with closed eyes at the end of Kirihara match. But until his match with Niou, he never decide to use it in his match. Hence I say he truly unlock it to use it with his own free will in the match against Niou.
If you disagree, show me a match between then that doesn't involve Fuji eyes going blind. That's not free will.
Being blind and choosing not to see are two different action with whole complete mindset. No, I mean, seriously.
Last edited by -Ken-; October 18, 2013 at 11:29 PM.
in anime during Fuji vs Kirihara, there's a scene where Yumiko mentioned that Fuji plays according to his opponent strength. & it just against his personality to crush his opponent etc...
if this scene is counted, i would doubt Fuji's stats especially speed & perhaps mental as well. (maybe the power stat is correct. muscle data wont lie)
he's playing Kirihara in a fast-rally match faster than his normal play.
anyhow i still doubt Fuji's stat because he's good at hiding it. he looked cautious.
If he doesn't let Inui take his data, i dont think he will let the coach take his data.
my doubt is based on my understanding on the manga/anime. others may have understand in differently & it's not wrong as well.
so, there's no strong/definite basis for my doubt as all comments above have argued.