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    Nuts the true villian of naruto

    u wanna know who is the true evul villain of naruto? its none other then Tobirama!!!!!!

    Tobirama's actions in the recent flashback that shows the Uchiha-Senju feud. His policies resulted in the Uchiha Massacre, which was a major factor in Sasuke's buthurtness, inspired Danzo's own retarded philosophy, which caused Kabuto's evility and another factor that resulted in the Uchiha Massacre, among many other consequences. He was also the creator of Edo Tensei, which resulted in Sarutobi's death the first time it was used, and in the deaths of millions the second time. He also, after the Uchiha and Senju manage to make peace after years of feud, protested Hashirama's wish to make Madara the Hokage. He mentions his belief that the Sharingan is evil and hax and tells Hashirama that the village would never except Madara as Hokage. Madara overheard every word, and so his inner emo awoke and he went all cutter and tried to take everyone down with him. Even his name is pure evul, Tobi is included in his name which is the alias of everyones favourite friendzoned uchiha Tobi which probably means he was inspired by the watermaster to become a crazy masked man and the moons eye plan or whatever.So nearly all major conflicts and buthurtness in the series could be blamed on Tobirama by proxy. hes probably the greatest evul to ever exist in all of anime(and disney) world
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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Frankly everything Tobirama has said, while very cold and blunt, is right on the dot! The Uchiha never fail to act out his negative speculation. Technically, if they really are unable to control themselves because of some psychological, nerve thing in their brain they would be convicted to a mental institute in the real world. As much as I love the uchiha but even in times of peace we'd technically have a new mangyouku barer every time someone's grandparents pass away (/Exaggerating). So far the only sane Uchiha who didn't want to be part of their illogical revolution was Itachi who apparently had hokage level IQ at the age of like 18 months. So basically you either had to be as smart as Uchiha Einstein or you're eventually going to want to destroy the world.

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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabman View Post
    Frankly everything Tobirama has said, while very cold and blunt, is right on the dot! The Uchiha never fail to act out his negative speculation. Technically, if they really are unable to control themselves because of some psychological, nerve thing in their brain they would be convicted to a mental institute in the real world. As much as I love the uchiha but even in times of peace we'd technically have a new mangyouku barer every time someone's grandparents pass away (/Exaggerating). So far the only sane Uchiha who didn't want to be part of their illogical revolution was Itachi who apparently had hokage level IQ at the age of like 18 months. So basically you either had to be as smart as Uchiha Einstein or you're eventually going to want to destroy the world.
    . who knows maybe it is Tobirama's mere presence that causes the psychological damage to the uchiha brain cause of his hatred of the uchiha which cause uchiha to hate everything. Ol tobirama is famous for his time space justi so maybe he time traveled back to when the uchiha ancester and senju anseter were and smacked uchiha ancester real hard in the head and blamed it on senju ancester and caused the entire uchiha curse of hatred thus it is actually "curse of Tobirama's hatred of uchiha hatred which he himself cause by his dickishness"

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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    I thought you were going to say that hashirama was pulling a aizen.
    Meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanadan View Post
    I thought you were going to say that hashirama was pulling a aizen.
    oh oh! thats a great idea!!!! maybe Tobirama is like ichimaru who seems like the main villain and hashirama is like aizen the nice guy and then suddenly he is revealed to be evul and he'd put on glasses reverse slick his hair and slice naruto almost in half with this grovy wood release which whould be revealed to be a lie and he actually uses furniture release the true form of the wood release and smack everyone to death with tables and chairs

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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Tobirama is a true villain. His opinions of the Uchiha likely caused Madara to leave the village and attack, and it sowed suspicion in Uchiha and fanned the flames that turned into a blaze when the elders took away Uchiha's power.
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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Tobirama is a true villain. His opinions of the Uchiha likely caused Madara to leave the village and attack, and it sowed suspicion in Uchiha and fanned the flames that turned into a blaze when the elders took away Uchiha's power.
    And thats actually a good opporunity to commend Kishi for writing it that way. So far the village our (beloved) hero comes from produces nearly every important villian in the story. So starting to change the world, I think Konoha is the right place to begin

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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Well, Tobirama might have been an asshole, but he was right on many points...
    He just was more realist and less idealist than his brother.


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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Tobirama's biggest problem was that he loved making assumptions and then to act upon those assumptions as if they where indisputable facts.

    Seriously, what justification for his bigoted views on the whole clan did he have other then "Madara (one single person) did this or Madara did that"?
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    I don't think he was right on most points though. By discriminating Uchiha, he likely caused Madara to leave the village adn become a rebel. I'm actually wondering if the Uchiha wouldn't have been easy to strip power of or bully around if it weren't for Tobirama.
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    What I don't understand is how so many people can actually defend Tobirama and his views, yet they go ballistic whenever the name Sasuke is mentioned.

    Tobiramas views (condemning the clan as a whole based on the actions of a single person) aren't all too different from Sasukes ambitions to eradicate Konoha as a whole because of what Danzou and the Village Elders have done to Itachi and the Uchiha.
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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    What I don't understand is how so many people can actually defend Tobirama and his views, yet they go ballistic whenever the name Sasuke is mentioned.

    Tobiramas views (condemning the clan as a whole based on the actions of a single person) aren't all too different from Sasukes ambitions to eradicate Konoha as a whole because of what Danzou and the Village Elders have done to Itachi and the Uchiha.
    Let's be clear, Tobirama is a racist.
    BUT, he was right about Madara.

    If all it took for Madara to go badshit evil was for Tobirama to be mean with him, Madara was bound to become evil.


    PS: OP should correct the typo in the thread title


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    Quote Originally Posted by THM Nindo View Post
    Let's be clear, Tobirama is a racist.
    BUT, he was right about Madara.

    If all it took for Madara to go badshit evil was for Tobirama to be mean with him, Madara was bound to become evil.
    It wasn't just Tobirama being a bit mean, Madara had fears and concerns and was plagued by guilt that he failed to protect his own people and that he lost their trust. He needed time to get over those things and Hashirama knew that. But Tobirama then basically recited all of Madaras concerns, feeding him further reaffirmation, which then in turn caused him to snap.
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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by THM Nindo View Post
    Let's be clear, Tobirama is a racist.
    BUT, he was right about Madara.

    If all it took for Madara to go badshit evil was for Tobirama to be mean with him, Madara was bound to become evil.


    PS: OP should correct the typo in the thread title
    He wasn't necessarily right about Madara, he actually led to Madara leaving Konoha by showing how much he didn't trust the Uchiha. And just because Madara decided to attack Konoha doesn't mean other Uchiha would have. He admitted that Madara was the main reason for his policies against the Uchiha, the very clan who rejected their leader. Tobirama has no justification for what he did, based on the action of lone Uchiha.
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    Re: the true villian of naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    What I don't understand is how so many people can actually defend Tobirama and his views, yet they go ballistic whenever the name Sasuke is mentioned.

    Tobiramas views (condemning the clan as a whole based on the actions of a single person) aren't all too different from Sasukes ambitions to eradicate Konoha as a whole because of what Danzou and the Village Elders have done to Itachi and the Uchiha.
    No. Do you honestly believe that tobiramas views was based on the action of madara? Nah. The senjuu and uchiha had been killing each other for how many generations. And do you expect tobirama to trust the uchiha completely and hug then with open arms? Yea, they're in peace because of their truce. But true peace needs time to completely healed the scars of their warring days. So tobirama's action/doubt is an acceptable or it has alot of sense.

    And even if you're right about tovirama's views about the uchiha, but still his action is entirely different from sasuke's wishful ambition to eradicate the entire konoha just because his brother found out how pathetic their clan is and accepted the elders mission for the sake of the innocent konoha's civilian.

    And I think, based from tobirama's opinion, orochimaru and the uchiha was misinterpret/misunderstood his action, he clearly said he wants the uchiha to channeled their love to the village. Tobirama wants the uchiha to love the konoha and treat them as their family. So don't just blamed tobirama, his ideals and action isnt just for the senju clan but rather for the entire konoha.

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