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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Keep in mind we as the readers have the ability to know what can and is happening, an ability the characters lack.
A thanked Bee, again, because he didn't know what Minato was capable of. In fact, neither of them had faced one another before, hence why both were surprised on multiple occasions. They had simply heard about one another. Both were surprised by each others speed. Minato could of had no idea that the Raiton Armor also acted as a shield, he could have thought it just amplified the Raikage reflexes.
Keep in mind, the Rinnegan Madara is using gives him access to all of the Sharigan abilties before it, unlike Nagato's. Meaning, they can see through genjutsu. And please, don't give me "It's through sound". That doesn't matter. The delivery method of a genjutsu means little to nothing, it still creates occular illusions that both of them could see through thanks to their Sharigan abilities. In terms of them being paralyzed, well shit, Itachi and Sasuke already showed us they were capable of breaking a jutsu like that by casting genjutsu on one another. And then there's the small fact that each of them have Hashirama's cells, and could very likely break the genjutsu the regular way anyway.
And there is no horror to how dangerous they would be. The genjutsu you describe requires prep time. Naruto is going to be getting bombarded with jutsu.
Hell, lets take the Juubi out of the equation. Obito disappears into his own dimension, Naruto can't even touch him or find him without Kakashi.
Madara drops a fucking meteorite on Nartuo. He then summons the Moukton spoors. If Nauto is somehow stills standing after that, he makes a dozen Moukton clones to fight him in Sussano clad armor.
And all the while this is happening, Obtio can just pop up at anytime and stab Naruto through the skull or surprise attack him.
The Sages are powerful and all, but they aren't some kind of great force. We already saw them get their asses kicked by Pain after having already fought him. Madara is Pain on steroids while also having the benefit of being immortal, and Obtio is insanely powerful who Naruto can't even hurt.
Yet, you think their tactic should be to use the slowest genjutsu in the manga, on two Uchiha's who have the the Rinnegan? Madara is near unbeatable at this point, and without Kakashi Obito might as well be too. And you think Naruto can defeat them just because he gets two toad Sages? Come on now....
Minato: He has to throw his Kunais first to use FTG: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/542/13. Those Kunais only have a yellow paper with FTG Jutsu inscribed on them: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/542/12. They can easily be burnt with Magatama or even a Katon Jutsu. With those out of the picture, he's as good as useless as his 'yellow flash' moniker is for his Thunder God Teleportation technique. When he is incidentally throwing them, that window is enough for a single Amaterasu.
Hizuren: He lacks any speed feats, that is my only argument. Despite his immortally, his speed won't receive any boost. Good, you agree about Tobirama.
The point is Amaterasu's burning ability. Once cast, the individual keeps on burning for seven days and nights. I am not saying he defeats Edos, but they are put out of commission for the team to bail out or form another strategy which was my point with the whole 'threat' logic.
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We cannot discuss battles here? Damn. Where is this arena anyway? This forum is like a freaking maze.
P.s: You got me.
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This is silly... orochimaru can just release edo tensei... Why would he fight them? And yes even though Oro has no control over Hashirama he can still release him just like Kabuto released Itachi.
Only Hashirama is free of Edo Tensei's control. Sasuke and co. are in control of the situation. Also, Sasuke is probably stronger than Madara was when Madara faced Hashirama (although Madara had Kurama to dramatically boost his strength). I'd assume Sasuke could summon a perfect Susano'o just like Madara if he wanted to, and he can equip it with Amaterasu weapons to give it a significant edge.
Minato and Sarutobi have NO way to resist Edo Tensei's control, especially now that Orochimaru has obtained Hashirama's cells. Even Tobirama, another Senju and Hashirama's brother, cannot resist the Zetsu-augmented Edo Tensei.
Orochimaru is probably on par with Sarutobi, and probably close to Minato's level... so Orochimaru is a significant variable in his own right.
Basically, as godly as Hashirama is, he probably can't solo all the fighters in the room, which is what he'd have to do to pose a threat to Sasuke. The real threat is Orochimaru and his remaining Edo Tensei Hokages, but I'm sure if Orochimaru tried to do anything, Sasuke + Hashirama (the two strongest fighters) would both turn on him, and Suigetsu / Juugo are, after all, still present to assist Sasuke, useless though they are.
Why should I? I'm just stating an obvious fact that your beloved sasuke is nowhere on the same level with my beloved minato.
Sasuke was being trashed by raikage while raikage's ass was easily beaten by minato. And yet for you minato is just a fodder?
So, How come sasuke can hit/defeat minato if his ass was easily beaten by raikage who was easily trashed by minato?
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Orochimaru shouldn't let minato touch him or else his control to the hokages will be over. Even if minato can't resist the ET control, but still he has an amazing sealing jutsu that enable him to cancel any control of the user to his summons.
Meanwhile, Sasuke not only took the Raikage's arm, but may have well killed him if not for Gaara's interference. (Whether Sasuke would have survived the leg drop is certainly questionable).
You keep acting as if Minato is some heavy duty powerhouse, and he isn't. He came much closer to kill Bee than he ever did the Raikage.
As for him not being the same level, that's a joke. Each has significant advantages over the other.
Mainly, Minato is nearly impossible to hit. Yet, he lacks killing power.
Sasuke for what it's worth, has nearly half a dozen S-Rank ninjutsu and Sussano for defense. He lacks Minato's speed, that's really about it.
I'm not one to call people fanboys but you clearly called Minato your beloved lol. He's great, but he's not invincible, and Sasuke is far from a slouch himself.
sasuke and orochimaru does not need to take on all hokages. orochimaru could not limit hashirama but controlled the other hokages. so the teams are:
1. hebi(include orochimaru), tobirama, hiruzen and minato. currently he does not make the last 3 hokages his puppet, because he wants them talk freely to answer sasuke's questions http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/620/11
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/620/12. here, he could stop tobirama easily. only hashirama is free now.
if sasuke's team decide to fight in konoha, hashirama would refrain from using huge jutsus and would be less threatening. however sasuke would not want to destroy konoha right now for 2 reasons:
1. he may be persuaded by hashirama's talk
2. he promised that he will not kill any konohanian before he kills naruto
still, watching hashirama vs all hokages, mokuton vs amaterasu would be quite amazing
Last edited by abyozuu; April 06, 2013 at 03:32 AM.
Not a chance in hell.
Sasuke could last a bit but the rest of his team would be 1 shot instantly. Minato alone could pull it off. Come on now.
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i think u r underestimating Minato too much. bro if i m not wrong he was on of the great ninja of his time and u r saying he dont have killers move . if Sasuke has several S-rank techniques i m 100 % sure minato would also have several S-rank techniques. about Rasengan he created it that doesn't mean he dont know other powerful moves also we have see naruto use Rasengan to defeat powerful opponents so dont underestimate its also
if sasuke = several S-rank techniques then minato = several S-rank techniques + Rasengan
He doesn't need to have great power to be one of the greatest ninja of his time or generation. Minato was arguably the deadliest. Look at Kakashi Gaiden and you'll know why. Bar the previous two Raikage, almost no one would have defense against Minato's speed because not only is his reaction fast, but he can teleport and kill you instantly. He could be the weakest ninja in terms of power of all time, but still be the deadliest of all time. Not to mention, his intelligence and hard work helped him out a lot.
I don't think a kage would need to be so destructive, but they would have to be able to protect teh village, and we've seen Minato do just that at least twice - saving the hokage faces and Konoha from Kyuubi's bijuu bombs and taking on Tobi and making him retreat. Could Sasuke do that? I doubt it.
@Delbi If I am not mistaken, Raigar Bomb is his most powerful attack and it did not even scratch Susano'o that took on a point black Lava attack from Mei without any visible damage. Raikage definitely would have been killed by those spikes.
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The original point is speed. Sasuke's Doujutsus have displayed immense speed. Take arrows; had Kakashi not warpped them away or had Danzo not used up Izanagi, both of them would have been dead. Amaterasu is instant and it took A two techniques - Body Flicker and V2 Armour - and preparation to side step, or Magatamas, and genjutsu is even deadlier.
When he throws the Kunais in all directions, the ones thrown right at Sasuke would be met with an instant Katon attack. Now I am not venturing that Sasuke gets all of his Kunais, but the ones in the adjacent area are most certainly destroyed. Minato will not be capable of teleporting to Sasuke when there is no point B to teleport to. Sasuke can always bring out CS to take care of the rest with a barrage of Magatama.
Whether anyone here accepts it or not; Sasuke is an extremely high tier ninja, fully capable of defeating Kages. Albeit this is not a Vs thread, I have given ample points regardless. Also, Minato is not killing Suigetsu, as he can simply liquify himself. But if Tobirama pulls the moisture out of the air like he was doing just now; Lol Well let's just say, instant fodder-i-zation for Suigetsu.
Last edited by shahdan; April 06, 2013 at 02:09 PM.
As per OP, im sure its already been realised that the Kages wont fight Sasuke.
Last edited by jaymizzo; April 06, 2013 at 02:03 PM.
I do not fear the hellgates, for I am a mod, sworn protector of light and righteousness.
That and I seriously doubt Sasuke would have had power to chase away Tobi. I'm just saying that Minato can be the weakest kage ever but still be the deadliest, not necessarily making him bad or anything. He hasn't shown the destructive power so far that many kage have.
You know, this would've been a good scenario. With those two goons gone for good, the manga will progress more. They've been holding it up with their nonsense for far too long. I'm referring to this war. This arc has had absolutely zero momentum, a complete standstill. First gear never has been switched on, it's always either on neutral or reverse.
I don't care how they get their presence erased, what matters is when it will happen.
I swear though, if I'll hear one more spasm inducing line from Obito...Or a "boo-hoo" version 2 stupidity whinge from Madara....
Kishimoto, I know where you live pal. Expect a Xenomorph in your mail shortly.