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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    The whole G10 is almost a caricature of some kind of corrupt government. Byodouin doesn't even respect the coaches though it's fair to say there's probably no reason why he should care for their advice.

    Tanegashima probably lucked out since if he went with the team, it's most likely he would be the one who's not coming back to Japan. I can see Ryoga's thought process when he meets the U17 team overseas, it'd be like:

    Thinks or maybe plays Byodouin and realize he can't beat him (or at least not easily).
    Thinks about the #2 except the #2 isn't even present.
    Thinks about #3 but he's Byodouin's yes-man and the obligatory token power player, and Ryoga is obviously not the token power player.

    So #4 gets the axe, which would've been #2 if Tanegashima came along.
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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    And what if Tanegashima is better than Ryoga? Then, Ryoga wouldn't appear in the series at all.

    Doesn't sound too cool...
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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    I don't think the higher the number the stronger one is, since the system is shuffle matches. Let's say Ryoga is stronger than Byoudouin. Can he challenge Byoudouin to a formal shuffle match betting their number? Would it be even necessary, since they both are part of the G10 who have the right to go places anyway. IMO Mouri and Ochi are much cooler and probably stronger than Kimijima-Tohno, double-wise.

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisMeade View Post
    I don't think the higher the number the stronger one is, since the system is shuffle matches. Let's say Ryoga is stronger than Byoudouin. Can he challenge Byoudouin to a formal shuffle match betting their number? Would it be even necessary, since they both are part of the G10 who have the right to go places anyway. IMO Mouri and Ochi are much cooler and probably stronger than Kimijima-Tohno, double-wise.
    While I'm sure the ordering is not strictly that of power, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the guy with the #1 badge is indeed the strongest, and if Ryoga is sure he can win I don't see why he didn't challenge Byodouin.

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisMeade View Post
    I don't think the higher the number the stronger one is, since the system is shuffle matches. Let's say Ryoga is stronger than Byoudouin. Can he challenge Byoudouin to a formal shuffle match betting their number? Would it be even necessary, since they both are part of the G10 who have the right to go places anyway. IMO Mouri and Ochi are much cooler and probably stronger than Kimijima-Tohno, double-wise.
    I felt this too I swear. But Ochi/Mouri outside of Ochi's service game would have struggled with Marui/Kite.
    It would be Ochi's Mental Pressure that secures the win I reckon.
    Kimijima/Tohno seemed so individual in that match, just like two excellent Singles Players just standing on a court beside each other instead of a real pair.

    Looking at the list, you can't confirm who is stronger out of Akiba, Taira and Hara.
    since the Mutsu twins completely outclassed Washio/Suzuki by sheer stats, we can assume they are just as good individually as lets say Akiba, Taira, Hara and Mitsuya etc.
    Although Mitsuya > Yanagi. So we're looking at... Mitsuya, Mutsu, Mutsu, Hakamada all the way above being above Yanagi in Singles?

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    While I'm sure the ordering is not strictly that of power, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the guy with the #1 badge is indeed the strongest, and if Ryoga is sure he can win I don't see why he didn't challenge Byodouin.
    I have no doubt he can challenge Byoudouin. I have doubt if it's formal. Personal match isn't allowed in the camp, right? If Ryoga win, would he get the No. 1 badge? Or do you have to step down to lesser court first, and then challenge the No. 1 badge wearer?

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    To challenge for higher position on the 1st String, you have to give up your own badge.
    This makes perfect sense.
    If you're the No.15 and challenge for the No.10 spot, you have no real reason to drive yourself to victory since you're already guaranteed to go abroad.
    But if you're forced to give up everything to challenge for a higher spot, then you'll have serious motivation to not lose when you play.

    So Ryoga should only challenge him if he thinks he can win, otherwise he will lose his spot on the 1st String.

    If you notice ONLY the strong MSers Kintaro and Niou gave up badges to get higher ones.
    They can afford to do this because of how strong they are.
    People like Kenya and Kawamura can't.

    But if you're already in the 2nd String you have nothing to lose. Like Ishida Gin. His challenge was a complete joke.
    Amongst the most useless challenges I've ever seen. Didn't last a set.

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    The number 4 is considered bad luck in Japanese culture. Maybe every other previous #4 had something bad happen to them, like a career ending injury. Obviously, the only person who can overcome something like that would be Sengoku.

    Calling it now, Sengoku's gonna be the new number 4. Ryoga doesn't care.

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Although Mitsuya > Yanagi. So we're looking at... Mitsuya, Mutsu, Mutsu, Hakamada all the way above being above Yanagi in Singles?
    I would just avoid trying to tier Mitsuya altogether. Beating Renji does not make him better than Renji. Meaning, just because Mitsuya beat Renji does not mean Hakamada can too. Mitsuya's data tennis is the direct counter to Renji's data tennis, just like Renji's data tennis was a direct counter to Inui's data tennis (Nationals). That was the whole point of those matches. Every HSer was a counter to a MSer (Fuwa/Yukimura, etc). Mitsuya beating Renji still says absolutely nothing about how good he is playing someone he wasn't "created" to play against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayte View Post
    I would just avoid trying to tier Mitsuya altogether. Beating Renji does not make him better than Renji. Meaning, just because Mitsuya beat Renji does not mean Hakamada can too. Mitsuya's data tennis is the direct counter to Renji's data tennis, just like Renji's data tennis was a direct counter to Inui's data tennis (Nationals). That was the whole point of those matches. Every HSer was a counter to a MSer (Fuwa/Yukimura, etc). Mitsuya beating Renji still says absolutely nothing about how good he is playing someone he wasn't "created" to play against.
    Actually, in the order shown by the Top10, the Singles Players > Doubles Players.
    In 11-20, Fuwa was obviously the best out of them at No.11 but something I discussed with Kaoz is where we have Fuwa and ability to play with Closed Eyes makes Vanish irrelevant.
    Hakamada and Vanish makes Prediction impossible meaning Data Tennis can't really work unless you are just godly superior.
    Mitsuya and Akiba could have similar stats but Data Tennis against anybody with similar stats means the death of the opponent. So Mitsuya > Akiba.

    So really, Hakamada should definitely be better than Yanagi.

    More importantly Fayte, you are of the belief that Yanagi was better than Inui at Nationals no? So if you say Mitsuya beating Yanagi does not mean he is better than Yanagi, then if you use Yanagi and Inui as an example you must also have changed your belief completely that Yanagi was better than Inui at Nationals.

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    We don't know if Yanagi > Inui at Nationals. I mean, Inui had gathered his Data already before the match ended... but he died before he could even use it. If it had been a singles match, that wouldn't had happened at all.

    It's almost the same case as Kaidoh>Kirihara. Yeah, Akaya couldn't beat Kaidoh's combo when he was in BS mode, but he didn't even try to do it while in Devil Mode (he knew that Inui was weaker and just went after him).
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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    There's a recuring problem with Yanagi and Inui. They're described as roughly equal when they're in elementary school and that's still supposed to be the way they are, but 'roughly equal' to Yanagi means Inui is roughly as good as the big 3 of Rikkidai, which means he'd be steamrolling most lesser players which is something he clearly cannot do.

    It's probably easier to think of Yanagi as mysteriously becoming weaker whenever Inui is involved. As we see in the game against Kirihara, Yanagi is supposed to be able to defeat people at Kirihara's level rather easily, and it's hard to see Inui pulling that off. I mean he is supposed to be part of the big 3 after all.

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    There's a recuring problem with Yanagi and Inui. They're described as roughly equal when they're in elementary school and that's still supposed to be the way they are, but 'roughly equal' to Yanagi means Inui is roughly as good as the big 3 of Rikkidai, which means he'd be steamrolling most lesser players which is something he clearly cannot do.

    It's probably easier to think of Yanagi as mysteriously becoming weaker whenever Inui is involved. As we see in the game against Kirihara, Yanagi is supposed to be able to defeat people at Kirihara's level rather easily, and it's hard to see Inui pulling that off. I mean he is supposed to be part of the big 3 after all.
    I don't see the problem with Inui = Yanagi (at least, almost). before Echizen came, he was Seigaku S3. Yanagi is no way close to Sanada nor Yukimura. Yeah, they are Rikkai big 3, but he's still a lvl lower. I'm sure that Yanagi beats the crap out of Kirihara's just because he has tons of data about Akaya.

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    Lol, not only you're overrating Yanagi by saying he's "roughly equal to the other 2 monsters", you're underrating Inui a lot.
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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardy View Post
    I don't see the problem with Inui = Yanagi (at least, almost). before Echizen came, he was Seigaku S3. Yanagi is no way close to Sanada nor Yukimura. Yeah, they are Rikkai big 3, but he's still a lvl lower. I'm sure that Yanagi beats the crap out of Kirihara's just because he has tons of data about Akaya.

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    Lol, not only you're overrating Yanagi by saying he's "roughly equal to the other 2 monsters", you're underrating Inui a lot.
    It's the big 3 of Rikkidai not the big 2 plus their sidekick/advisor.

    While it seems like there's no way Yanagi is on the same level as the other 2, that's how he's always been introduced. There are various reference about how Tezuka is someone the big 3 needs to be wary of (which also implies the big 3 is considered as the same tier as Tezuka and that includes Yanagi). Mouri says he wants to play the big 3 again. As unbelievable as it'd be to put Yanagi in the same tier as Sanada let alone Yukimura, that's how he's always been introduced as a character. Konomi tried to backpedal on this by saying how Yanagi's true contribution is that he can play doubles with anyone, even if it's the devil, but then he's also not the top doubles player (Marui and Jackal are introduced as the #1 doubles team in Japan) so it's not like he got there by being a doubles specialist.

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    Re: Saddest original G10 member?

    They are the Rikkai big 3 just because Rikkai was an undefeatbale school for 2 years and they were their 3 best players, it's never said that they share the same tier. Don't talk about Tezuka please, it was said that Tachibana was at his lvl, that every Rikkai was at his lvl, that every National player was at his lvl, etc. People like to talk a lot of crap in PoT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Konomi tried to backpedal on this by saying how Yanagi's true contribution is that he can play doubles with anyone, even if it's the devil, but then he's also not the top doubles player (Marui and Jackal are introduced as the #1 doubles team in Japan) so it's not like he got there by being a doubles specialist.
    Thank you. Champion pair was first introduced as "Rikkai D2" if you remember, and the Tricksters Pair (D1) had to play against the freaking Golden Pair in that final, so at that moment Champion pair wasn't even the best pair in Rikkai. Konomi likes to contradict himself a lot.

    You like it or not, Inui is almost as good as Yanagi (or even better).

    I dunno why we're discussing this in this thread btw lol
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