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View Poll Results: Is the current execution of Edo Tensei doing Justice to the previous buildup for the Jutsu?

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    2 16.67%
  • Great Buildup > Poor Execution (Unsatisfied)

    9 75.00%
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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Orochimaru actualy SUMMONED MINATO and then Sarutobi STOPED HIM(back in part 1). Kishi then retconed it later on.
    Sarutobi thinked he stopped the third one, Orochimaru just says strange, it didn't work.

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    @Nieuwsgierig

    Neah. Both Orochimaru and Sarutobi knew perfecly well the jutsu. Sarutobi even does a handseal and then clearly states he stoped it in time. He was sure. Its just 1 of the many retcons.

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    Edo Tensei vs Mugen Tsukuyomi

    After re-reading 619 something caught my eye.



    The dialogue here between Oro and Tobirama then to Tobirama and Hashirama implies a few things. Tobirama the aggressor of the two Senju Kage is known for his ruthlessness, but also as kage would seek an alternative for the sake of people.

    Based on that dialogue I had a theory that since Hashirama says "it wasn't a proper jutsu" he obviously knew of its conception before death but more importantly why it was made.

    I believe it was a similar decision to Madara's to carry out Mugen Tsukiyomi in order to create a world of peace. The angle from Tobirama's side would be to revive the lost members of their enemies and or personal loved ones to shield themselves from the loss (or fear of loss) to create a world of peace. However during research and development of the technique he and hashirama (maybe even madara) decided to stop pursuit due to human life exchange or whatever reason until Orochimaru/Kabuto's re-development of it.

    I also believe Madara may have had a hand in creating the Jutsu, since he broke the seal, or at least knew more detail than he claimed Hashirama did. Another side theory is that Madara may have realized "loopholes" like Orochimaru using Zetsu for Edo Tensei

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @Nieuwsgierig

    Neah. Both Orochimaru and Sarutobi knew perfecly well the jutsu. Sarutobi even does a handseal and then clearly states he stoped it in time. He was sure. Its just 1 of the many retcons.
    Orochimaru would not have been able to summon Minato regardless of the actions Sarutobi took.
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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @Nieuwsgierig

    Neah. Both Orochimaru and Sarutobi knew perfecly well the jutsu. Sarutobi even does a handseal and then clearly states he stoped it in time. He was sure. Its just 1 of the many retcons.
    Orochimaru doesn't saying anything about Sarutobi stopping it, he was surprised it stopped despite seeing Sarutobi do handseals.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-122-19...apter-117.html

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymizzo View Post
    Orochimaru would not have been able to summon Minato regardless of the actions Sarutobi took.
    But he did summon him halfway trough before Sarutobi stoped it. That is where the retcon comes from. It was later changed to people sealed by the DG or other seals to not be able to be summoned. That was when Kishi decided to do the fanservice with the ET zombies.

    You have to understand that you first prep the zombies. You don't just pop them in said coffins. Remember Kabuto showed how it was done when he used Danzo's bodyguards.... So Oro already somehow used it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nieuwsgierig View Post
    Orochimaru doesn't saying anything about Sarutobi stopping it, he was surprised it stopped despite seeing Sarutobi do handseals.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-122-19...apter-117.html
    That is why i said SARUTOBI and not Oro...

    Use the link you provided:
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-122-18...apter-117.html
    Just 1 page back. Sarutobi does HANDSEALS and states how he needs to stop the 3'th. I asure you he knew the jutsu as his teacher was TOBIRAMA... He used a handseal to stop the summon. He was not just flaping his arms about.

    He does handseals, states he needs to do something about the 3'th one and then he states he stoped it. Its a clear example of retcon.
    Last edited by xXan; April 04, 2013 at 02:47 AM.

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    Re: Edo Tensei vs Mugen Tsukuyomi

    @Sanga Au79

    No, Madara himself stated the jutsu was made to level battlefields. It was made for war.
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/561/2
    Last edited by xXan; April 03, 2013 at 05:34 AM.

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    So it is conflicting then...?
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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    i remember reading after they were first summoned, it being explained that they were not summoned at full power last time

    which also explains how sarutobi was able to fight them off

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisame Hoshigaki View Post
    i remember reading after they were first summoned, it being explained that they were not summoned at full power last time

    which also explains how sarutobi was able to fight them off
    Well yeah, if they are at full power all Hashirama needs to do is raise his chakra level for Sarutobi to die of a hearth attack... I mean good thing Sarutobi was an immortal ET here:
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/620/6

    Look at Sarutobi's hand... It was on his hearth... He was probably thinking what i said above, "good thing i am immortal or my hearth would be gone".

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Orochimaru couldn't summon Minato back then because his soul was sealed inside the shinigami! How should he revive someone without the soul?

    He cut the shinigamis belly recently... That's why his soul was set free and the Edo Tensei was possible.
    Last edited by Skyguardian; April 04, 2013 at 02:54 AM.

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguardian View Post
    Orochimaru couldn't summon Minato back then because his soul was sealed inside the shinigami! How should he revive someone without the soul?

    He cut the shinigamis belly recently... That's why his soul was set free and the Edo Tensei was possible.
    By summoning the soul from the DG seal, something that whas possible back then and happened :P Then the retcon happened for the ET fanservice and this was no longer possible.

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Just because the DG was summoned doesn't mean you can use the souls sealed inside of him. At least it was never said.

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    @Skyguardian

    Read my posts in page 1.

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    Re: Edo Tensei contradiction...

    Regardless of the second time...
    The first time, having just watched the anime in English, and Japanese subtitle, and read the manga...
    Sarutobi, CLEARLY stopped the 3rd coffin.

    Which, seeing as he knows the RULES of EDO TENSEI and the REAPER DEATH SEAL...
    Was pointless....cause he should have KNOWN that MINATO wouldn't have been able to be summoned.


    So again, all evidence points to slightly bad writing...
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