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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Basically, Naruto is the only reason Tsunade didn't have Sasuke apprehended or killed, and Tsunade is the only reason why Naruto didn't have to worry about Konoha sending assassination squad after Sasuke.
Sasuke was the last member of the Uchiha clan loyal to Konoha. He left them, and joined their enemy, thus giving their enemy a huge weapon in the Sharigan. Sasuke was a shinobi, a tool, an asset , that cannot be ignored.
The only reason the orders were to bring him back was because Tsunade was lenient because he was Naruto and Sakura's teammate. As soon as Danzou was Hokage, Sasuke was made a missing-nin like he rightfully was, and was ordered to death.
Whether or not Sasuke had intentions of helping Orochimaru is irrelevant. When you abandon your post in the Narutoverse without permission you become a missing-nin and are thus subject to execution. That is manga law that cannot be changed or argued, so from that standpoint alone Sasuke was a criminal worthy of death.
Now, if you want to argue he won't be put to death because of Naruto new tree-hugging lets hold hands philosophy that is somehow rubbing off on the entire planet, so be it. But according to the original rules of Naruto and the ninja system, Sasuke is guilty of abandonment and treason. He is a missing-nin, and is thus supposed to be put to death.
Chapter next week right??
But we have other cases of ninjas doing their own thing without being made into missingnins, not to mention that if Tsunade didn't have any wiggle room, she surely would have been called out on it by the council, who were not her biggest fans. And Danzo didn't make him a criminal til they learn of his actions in Kumo.
What you said was that Sasuke was always neutral. That's what you said. He wasn't. So his loyalty changed. No one has suggested that he joined Oro because of hatred toward Konoha. What has been suggested is that he ceased to be loyal. Your counter to that was that he was always neutral, and I showed that that wasn't the case. So yes his loyalty changed.Quote:
Nope, were my mentions of Sai's intervention insufficient to make it clear that the attempted murder of Naruto was at Oro's lair. So Sasuke decided to kill Naruto on a whim, does that make it less of an attempted murder. And now you're going to say that Sasuke never truly intended to kill Naruto despite the fact that Sai, Yamamoto, and eventually even Orochimaru had to stop him. Are you reading what you're claiming? As we go on, you get more and more ridiculous with these claims. Putting an arm around a person isn't an attempt on their life. Following that arm with an attempt to put a sword through them shows that, yes, you want them dead. You cannot be serious at this point.Quote:
The threat of war isn't a negative effect, it is a potential outcome. Plotting a coup, or murder, isn't perfectly fine. I'm not sure how you've tried to link the correctness of a coup plot and the possibility of war in the scheme of things, considering that I'm not arguing that Sasuke actions were fine. I'm arguing that by your the reasoning you put forth, Sasuke didn't betray Konoha through those actions. I think you might need to have your logical flow checked. It doesn't follow. So Sasuke decided to give Oro a freebie, how is this helping your argument? And the same way that Oro could've gotten Sasuke, Tobi could've gotten Bee. You've yet to meet your standard for betrayal.Quote:
I've yet to see you make this an action against Konoha. He attacked Kumo. He acted against Kumo. So, it wasn't an act against Konoha. It might've led to something that would strengthen his hand against Konoha, but it wasn't an act against Konoha that produced a negative effect for Konoha. So....what now? It's amazing that you're now simultaneously attempting to argue that an attack on Bee, a Kumo shinobi, was a betrayal of Konoha, but an attack on Naruto, a Konoha shinobi, wasn't. This is just...wow.Quote:
Yes, the moment he decided to join Oro, obviously. And once again, why is Kabuto, a known traitor, being used as support for the idea that Sasuke wasn't a traitor? How is this even remotely effective as an argument. So the whole Will of Fire spiel about Itachi, that was about what? Sasuke's intentions weren't to aid the village. You argue above that Sasuke was neutral toward the village. So how is it that he is even considering his actions to be in aid of the village? Your arguments are just everywhere, and they just don't make any sense whatsoever. In a single post, you contradict yourself without any hesitation. And it just isn't worth it for me to touch on the risks taken and sacrifices made by the likes of Sai, Nono, or Itachi himself for Konoha.Quote:
he was doing the same thing as jiraiya...tracking down orochimaru....but itachi being considered a criminal was perfect cover to infiltrate such associations like akatsuki
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just wanted to add...it was his choice to walk away from the village...he could have stayed and hiruzen could have pulled the wool over the villages eyes...
let the citizens know about the uprising and say itachi was the one who saved them...itachi chose to leave
I think Jiraiya could have also saved Sasuke because of the info he got about Orochimaru's transfer jutsu. If nothing else, joining Orochimaru would have gotten Sasuke listed in the bingo book.
How many of them joined the enemy though? Itachi and Orochimaru did, but Itachi was the only one who was genuinely good.Quote:
Not sure which ninja left because of crime or after committing a crime. Orochimaru was considered an enemy but likely too powerful for anyone to approach. Same with Itachi.
No, that was what got him recognized as an Akatsuki. He became an international criminal because he joined Akatsuki. Going after Bee got him attention, and seeing him in Akatsuki cloak trying to capture a jinchuuriki made them realize he was with Akatsuki.Quote:
I think if Sasuke wasn't affiliated with Akatsuki, he wouldn't have been labeled an international criminal.
Last edited by sarutobi_sensei; April 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM.
I agree...that's what he believed...but this is where his age is a factor...his drastic resolve towards sasuke(grow up and punish me)...he could have stayed in konoha and got the same results...
my point was...after the massacre he was given the mission of tracking down orochimaru....which he did within akatsuki...
I love itachi...but he did some assbackwards shit when it came to his brother...idk