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Instead of just crushing Naruto and Bee with Kamui and Rinnegan jutsu (look what Nagato did without Kamui lol), he put a leash on himself to Kabuto (using his ET was stupid), and exposed the bijuu to Naruto seemingly on purpose. The content of Naruto and Kurama's interactions also is... lacking. It feels like the only logical reason Kurama has to work with Naruto is his grudge against Madara. It's a WHOLE lot of plot being built on top of a floating sea of coincidences.
People also have to realize that they're not reading fucking Shakespeare.
He didn't say the only reason. He said the only logical reason. And he's right.Originally Posted by darkprince0521
Why is he helping Naruto? It doesn't work to compare Kurama's change of heart to Sasuke's, because Kurama has had generations of time to become set in his life of hatred. He's not being swayed by a mental illness caused by his power either. Not to mention that despite Kurama "accepting" Naruto, it doesn't change the fact that he's still in servitude. He's trapped. And staying this way doesn't actually help him at all. He doesn't care about humanity.
Sasuke on the other hand, loves his brother, and wants to take actions that represent that love. By protecting Konoha, he honors his brother's memory.
What does Kurama gain by aiding Naruto? If he's trapped in the Jyuubi, his consciousness should disappear. If he stays with Naruto, he's still "alive", but held captive and in servitude (regardless of how nicely they talk to him). He doesn't have a hell of a lot going for him. Naruto seems to be the best of a bad situation.
As for their development, the hell more did you want? Did Kurama have to sob like a little bitch or something? Did they have to give each other kisses and hugs to become friends? I don't get it. You're reading this manga for years now and know that Naruto has a mysterious influence on everyone. Not to mention that Kurama's been watching Naruto's actions and been influenced by him for 16 fucking years! And you only count this short amount of time for their development which is just plain stupid. Their development into friendship was okay and expected.
Trust has SHIT to do with how sealing bijuu works in this manga. Think for a second.Originally Posted by Roman
What happens to a Jinchuuriki when it's bijuu is removed from it's body? Yeah. That's right.
You know, you make it out like I'm overreacting by expecting a better explanation for Kurama's change, but the minute someone says something bad about your little hero you're ready to have a panic attack. Calm. The. FUCK. Down.Quote:
First off, 16 years of watching someone change in ways that make you hate them more and more doesn't count as logical progression towards becoming that person's ally. Everytime Kurama had to save Naruto's ass it was a reminder that he was placed within him as a slave. A tool. Naruto trying his best to save his friend had nothing to do with human/bijuu relations. Naruto getting his ass kicked by Karui, or "changing people", or "never going back on his ninja way has nothing to do with Kurama's opinion of humans. Just that Naruto was stubborn.
If there was anything at all that would change Kurama's opinion about Naruto, or humanity in general, it'd be what happened with Goku alone. And that shit didn't take 16 years.
Second, in the entire two paragraphs of bellyaching you just posted, you didn't answer my question: what does Kurama get for licking Naruto's boots? "Hey Naruto, be a pal and DIE so I can be free after we beat the Jyuubi, okay?"
That's what you're implying.
That's cute. I'm not nearly panicking enough as much as your feelings are hurt when I give a harsher argument. Damn, I guess I need to chill out.
You obviously have some different ways of reading this manga. Kurama clearly showed his sentiments about some of the events in the past that Naruto handled, which were odd to Kurama and somewhat interesting. He never understood him fully up until this point in the manga. He never hated him as much as he hated everything else. It was a 16-year progression of changing a heart towards Naruto and it just hit the culmination that resulted in happened effect. Complicating things and making a nuclear physics out of a simple friend/enemy relationship won't change those facts. So yeah, my bellyaching is actually an objective description of someone who casually reads a manga and understands things as they actually are. My little hero is actually a hero, yeah.
What does Kurama get for licking his boots? Are you really that short-sighted? Why do you think he wants a fucking freedom specifically? Well, I'll spell it out for you. Since Bijuus were always seen as weapons and not being that could socialize with humans, they wanted FIRST to be acknowledged like beings rather than tools of shinobi world. To Kurama, and probably every Bijuu, that's the most important thing. And coincidentally, when a human acknowledges a Bijuu in that way, they automatically become free.
Last edited by Roman; April 21, 2013 at 02:54 PM.
You do. This isn't the first time you've gotten irate and defensive about something someone disagrees with you about, and then backpeddled under the pretense that "we're taking things too seriously" or "blowing things out of proportion". Stop replying in such a dickish manner and people won't feel the need to point it out.Originally Posted by Roman
...you're serious, aren't you?Quote:
Okay. I'll try simplifying.
Whenever a Bijuu is removed from the Jinhuuriki that houses it, the Jinchuuriki dies. Inorder for Kurama to gain his freedom Naruto has to die.
He is NOT helping Naruto so that Naruto can sacrifice his life to grant him freedom. I don't believe for a second you thought this shit was a logical reason for him helping Naruto. And for your sake, I'm not even gonna ask for clarification, because I expect more of the same. Forget this conversation even took place.
I cannot expect Naruto to be like Hamlet, Othello, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth etc. Nor do I even expect it to touch Sophoclean Dramas - Antigone and Oedipus - but I DO expect this guy to fucking try to be a decent writer.
Firstly, are you reading my posts? Should I bold them? What makes you think that Kurama's priority is his freedom? Freedom in terms that he can roam the world freely. Why? Did he say something about it? Did he? Because manga didn't give us that knowledge.
Secondly, are you fucking reading my posts? Of course Kurama doesn't help him for his own gains. Naruto is a key to world peace and Kurama understands that. THAT's why he's helping him. That's why he took a liking to him and became his comrade. Can you clarify that you understood my own thoughts on the matter? Jeez.
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