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    Question so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    Patriotism nothing more imp than my village (or country) to me hashimara answer to sasuke,
    really ,but he allowed tobirama to succeds him where he knows the hatred for uchia his brother had especially after vote . a true patriot would have make sure guys like tobirama and evil madra never succeds him at any cost , dont tell me that hasi dont know what brother really is common a man of hashimara calibur easilly let have things sorted after vote by allowing a non uchia non -senju as hokage after him ,now tobirama would have stop hashimara but hasi just needs to force his oblective ,tobirama cannot fight hashi anyway so hasi would have been succesed , but tobirama as a sucessor to hashirama was kind a like family anarchy in democarcy . now people will say uchia are mind freaks yeah madara , obito ,sasuke so on, but senju are blood relatives after all and danzo , tobirama and hizruzen (as hizruzen allowed orchimaru to conduct human expriemnt and then walk away ) are just mirage of them .if hashirama had been equal on bothsides ( hadling tobirama the same way he handled madara ) nothing this have been happen. now many will say why blame all on hashimara man afterall he is god like powerfull , top position in village its his damn
    responsibilty and saying sorry will not correct the mistakes he let happen

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    Tobirama was NOT evil. He was bigoted, yeah, but he wasn't bad. The Uchiha were still alive and still happy, still thriving. Tobirama made sure they were watched and isolated them, but if the Uchiha had a problem they'd have said so. Tobirama loved the village and was powerful, he was the best choice.

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    u cannot let a guy knowingly that he is bigoted or who has a kind of feeling of bias towards to became a kage . its not just a captain position its the head of the village u cannot allow that after ur big thoughts on patriortism to madra , which means hashimara was indeed not a patriot and his beliefs are broken , where as guys like minato, jiraya , itachi , shisui,are true patriots .

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    What did Tobirama do that was so bad?

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    he knows that uchia are mentally unstable according to him anyway , he isolated them knowing this is going the ideals of what let to the creation of village , he isolated them from any political position , enough to label him unfit as a kage , he is nothing more than a hardliner senju , and u dont let hardliner govern a democracy right

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    He never isolated them from any political position. At the very least, he didn't take that away from them. Danzou and the elders did decades after Tobirama's time.

    There are plenty of proof that Tobirama wasn't as bad as you make him out to be.

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    Tobirama later chided the Uchiha clan openly to which Orochimaru contracted that it was Tobirama's fault that it happened in the first place as he gave the Uchiha the Konoha Military Police Force to run and essentially ostracised the Uchiha. Rebuffing this, Tobirama explained the Uchiha clan's greatest curse: the fact that they had a greater love than any other person which if lost would turn into bottomless feelings of despair awakening the Sharingan as a result. Tobirama also set up the Konoha Military Police Force and assigned the Uchiha to it as a sign of trust. He in fact knew how unwieldy the Uchiha's emotions were and sought to have them focus their efforts of a single, constant goal all the while protecting the village as well. This, however, actually contributed to the Uchiha's demise as some came to see it as a means to ostracise them from the rest of the village and its governance and eventually led to the Uchiha Clan Massacre. Tobirama was also responsible for the creation of the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique, which was used firstly by Orochimaru in his effort to destroy Konoha and later heavily relied on by Kabuto Yakushi during the Fourth Shinobi World War.

    from wikki its enough to potray him unfit

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    It doesn't make him unfit. He didn't have a hand in the Uchiha's demise. If anything, that was the elders. Danzou refused to let Shisui use his Mangekyo to stop Uchiha while they were intent on blaming the Uchiha. They're the ones who stripped the Uchiha of their power and refused to give it back. Tobirama would likely not have allowed that if he was alive.

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    and who gives those so called elders the powers to do that . just think those elders are they really capable of getting so much political power on their own

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    How would Tobirama know what they would do with the power? Still can't blame him unless we see it clear that they were bigoted or bad leaders in some way.

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    Quote Originally Posted by nico View Post
    and who gives those so called elders the powers to do that . just think those elders are they really capable of getting so much political power on their own
    The Third, the Elders were his support. They are not that old that they were around when Tobirama was running things.

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    Re: so hashimara talks about patriotism to madara in the end at vote

    Quote Originally Posted by nico View Post
    Tobirama later chided the Uchiha clan openly to which Orochimaru contracted that it was Tobirama's fault that it happened in the first place as he gave the Uchiha the Konoha Military Police Force to run and essentially ostracised the Uchiha. Rebuffing this, Tobirama explained the Uchiha clan's greatest curse: the fact that they had a greater love than any other person which if lost would turn into bottomless feelings of despair awakening the Sharingan as a result. Tobirama also set up the Konoha Military Police Force and assigned the Uchiha to it as a sign of trust. He in fact knew how unwieldy the Uchiha's emotions were and sought to have them focus their efforts of a single, constant goal all the while protecting the village as well. This, however, actually contributed to the Uchiha's demise as some came to see it as a means to ostracise them from the rest of the village and its governance and eventually led to the Uchiha Clan Massacre. Tobirama was also responsible for the creation of the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique, which was used firstly by Orochimaru in his effort to destroy Konoha and later heavily relied on by Kabuto Yakushi during the Fourth Shinobi World War.

    from wikki its enough to potray him unfit
    if u read correctly u will understand Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique is not killer technique but one who revive dead person. there r lots of other killer technique which were use to kill people/ninja even before he was born. u can say his technique is good or bad by its use for ex is guns and other weapons if its in bad persons hand its bad but if it in good persons hand its good
    if u r going to say he is bad because he is responsible for the creation of the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique then didnt all these ninja who invent ninja techniques which use its to kill + so6p father of ninja world is also bad peoples

    if u r saying for evil things orochimaru did Tobirama is responsible then u r forgetting when Tobirama die orochimaru wasn't even born. so stop making Tobirama responsible for every bad things.

    as for we know he hate uchiha clan just because of that u cant call him bad because when he was born he was uchiha clans enemy. his brothers and father was killed by uchiha and all his life till village was build he fight for life against uchiha clan how can u say he should give his hatred in one second. if u remember Tobirama's dream was not peace. madara and Hashirama had that dream but when their father and brother attack madara forget that dream and lots of time later he again choose that dream so if one man who want peace take that much time to accept other then how can u say other person who didnt want peace to accept others in one second

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