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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Annie is here for the fanservice.Well, I don't think it will change anything. It's just a smile.
EDIT: Actually that power is a double edged sword. I don't really care about Annie's smile but for Marlo I found it really, really bad. I think they asked him to find something and buy time, but even if they didn't ask. He could be overthinking and try to do something to improve his story. Annie and Mikasa's smiles change nothing but for me, Marlo isn't as likable as in the manga. But now, it's the canon Marco.
Last edited by Demonspeed; September 15, 2013 at 03:44 PM.
Here's a translation from someone, who is not me :O.
This, to me, makes me even more upset about the story changes and omissions when it comes to Annie. When she offered to train Eren, they connected on a level, they both enjoy fighting. Eren knew she was lying when Annie said she was forced to do it and it was worthless. Neither of them had to hold back when they were training together. Eren was free to be himself in a way and Annie didn't have to lie about anything.Quote:
Also, laugh in the anime, way too much. Didn't seem like it was out of embarrassment or relief. Should've been a chuckle without the blushing. Blushing was the tipping point into creepyland.
Last edited by NuPope; September 15, 2013 at 03:22 PM.
All expressed by a near-total loss of control, and yeah, on top of that there are no tears, and the blush and the nature of the laugh are way over the top so rather than looking hurt or embarrassed, it comes off more sexual/fanservice-y, or like a "crazy bitch," as some people on another site that don't read the manga (but claim they liked the scene) said, than anything else to me. ._.
this doesn't change anything at all. It makes things worse to me
In the anime she doesn't come off as what Isayama is now saying or drew. She still looks like she's having a drunk orgasm. Whatever.
You can say the anime kind of exaggerated Annie's blush to make it fanservice-y. Isayama's blush drawing feels a lot a different and there's that crying in panel B, which wasn't added. .
The part that struck me is when he say “the character she’s built for herself, sadly opening up, laughing shyly”.
This is exactly the opposite of what we got.
She wasn't sad (no tears) and it certainly was not a shy laugh (she was almost hysterical).
He might have said that the anime was great, but you know how japanese are, even if he wasn't happy with it, he would never say it publicly.
Anyway, what's done is done.
This scene is basically canon now...
Last edited by THM Nindo; September 15, 2013 at 09:55 PM.
As far as I'm concerned, people can take their pick and both are "canon" in their own way. Unless Isayama personally goes so far as to have earlier volumes changed upon reprinting to reflect the anime version precisely, what's in the manga still exists and if readers prefer it, they have a right to stick with it. No need to get hung up on the fallacy of authorial intent (AKA the "intentional fallacy"). What's actually found in a text is often more important and (in my opinion) more valid than what a writer might later want to change it to. (If he even did want them to go as far as they did with that. If he clams up about this topic forever from now on, as opposed to repeatedly defending the anime version, I will remain suspicious of whether he even did want it. Not that it matters in the end, but it did drop my estimation of him as someone I thought was a surprisingly good writer of female characters, once I saw those comments.)
To be fair, despite knowing Annie is a much deeper character than she appears, we still haven't seen her whole story yet. It's a bit too early to judge whether she's "out of character" or not. Of course I know where this criticism comes from, and perfectly reasonable, but I want to give Annie a chance to reveal the depths of her heart in the coming story... maybe then, we would come to say, "Hey, this isn't so bad after all."
I think the part that really strikes me very deeply is - and I bet a lot of us have always overlooked - "Like a normal 16 year old girl. Guilty. Lonely. Fearful." Isayama's comment on the picture actually puts periods/full stops at the end of each of the descriptive words, meaning he really, really is trying to stress the level of impact of these feelings on Annie. From this perspective, her letting off some steam or whatever you call that really isn't unreasonable at all. And truth be told, she has shown hints of guilt. She has shown loneliness. She has cried.
In that flashback that was for some reason not shown in the anime (Annie offering to teach Eren,) that was a majorly defining moment. She talks like a normal girl, she jokes around like a normal (maybe slightly awkward) girl. For a brief second, she smiles as if she just had the tiniest yet happiest thought in her mind. I don't think Isayama is actually very good at drawing faces, but that particular smile of hers far surpasses all other smiles you could ever find in your typical shounen manga. The smile shows nostalgia, the smile shows melancholy, the smile shows relief, the smile shows realisation, the realisation of how you can find happiness in the tiniest of things (i.e. Eren using her father's technique.) Yes, she isn't normal, not normal by your usual standards, because of her past, because of her current situation. But her feelings and emotions are all part of what being human can offer.
Please remember, she's this 16 year old girl who keeps memories of her father through her technique, she cries where nobody sees, she shuts herself from people because, knowing that they are from very very different worlds, she takes the rational approach thinking there's not much point (hence Eren thinks she looks down on people. But this probably isn't an accurate description of her since, in both the anime and manga one way or another, she opens up Maruro's mind to what being normal or being weak is all about.) If you ask me, she is by far the more mature of the lot, meaning she's too mature for her age, and when her age doesn't match, she is bound to get repercussion if not handled properly... and in this case, the stress finally gets her. (Note that this stress comes from interaction with people, dead or alive.)
Yes, I believe that's what Isayama really intended on that scene. But how the anime did it, it really feels different. You'd have to have a great mind or have to read Isayama's words to know what that scene actually meant. Most people would just think of this as some kind of H-hot-scene fanservice-y or a crazy b*tch's laugh. Really, that's one of the things that first came into my mind. The voice acting does not help.
I'd rather think of the rough draft as the canon one instead of the anime T^T.
Last edited by Yumpo; September 15, 2013 at 11:04 PM.
This is so typically JAPANESE.
Isayama defends the Anime cuz he MUST defend the Anime.
For me the real Annie is the one shown in the manga, not the one that was discarded by the same author (doing the RIGHT choice) and not the one depicted in the anime for commercial reasons. The same reasons that have made magazine picture like this:
With a HAPPY BOBBIE SMILEY ANNIE ready for fan service hyping.
Annie is wearing a mask, she is not really bad and was trying to hide her sadness. In the manga, her face is really scary, she seems to regret nothing at all and is just surprised by Armin's deduction, she looks like a typical villain. It's as if she was always wearing a mask but she wasn't supposed to. In the anime the smile shows that she is freed, she doesn't need to wear a mask anymore, she can express his feelings and it makes her happy.