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Yes, its just insane and wrong!
No, its not all that bad.
I definitely hear what you're saying though, I read about how in North korea people believe their leader controls the weather and that every other nation is constantly burning, and how they work 16 hours out of every day, then sleep then work 7 days a week, and are too tired to think about anything but work, and how at least 20% of the population is forbidden from even learning any language whatsoever just because their function does not require it, their minds are so clouded that even cannibalism doesn't make them think about anything, that would be similar to the mugen tsukiyomi, they are so far from reality that it is like they live their entire life detached, like in a dream.
No, no thanks I think we are just interpreting the mangaka's intentions behind the bad guys' motivations, perhaps they are just putting everyone into a repressive society if they succeed, one where madara shapes reality however he sees fit. That might be what he is referencing with them "entering the matrix".
Btw, my answer is that yes, it's terrible to force this on people, but that mugen tsukiyomi should be used for therapy with the warning that it is incredibly addictive to let it all go. If madara and obito weren't so hopeless and warlike they could have negotiated a solution for people to experience it in a limited extent and if they rationally choose to stay in it, then they can live their lives like that.
Btw, sorry you had to go through that shadan, death threats are no fun, I've had to go through my share of bullying as well.
Last edited by winterwyrm; May 02, 2013 at 01:25 AM.
I never said that infinite genjutsu is the right thing to do, I ventured that it sounds more realistic than Naruto's peace rubbish. There can never be true peace till different school of thoughts exist. My second point was; there is little to no difference between ET's brain-washing and 'will of fire' jingoism for which ninjas are laying down their lives left and right, and I still stand by it.
Eh? I couldn't care less about those threats. But I do keep my mouth shut for the sake of my family's safety; people here are far too bigoted. I am not a little kid who gives in to such bullying. At twenty five, I think one grows past these things.
Yes though I don't really think naruto's idea of just cooperating is realistic in the real world though, someone would definitely try to dominate it, and there would be trouble, someone would try to snatch off someone else's plate. He might end the cycle of hatred, but it will start again eventually.
Ah, pakistan, huh? I have heard that place can be rough, but quite liveable as long as you stay away from the afghan border, kyber pass, jammu and kashmir though, Baluchistan issue might heat up in the future. Like things are pretty chill there overall. I'm glad you overcame it, I think I am always going to be different from how I would be if I hadn't been bullied.
I'd have more respect for Naruto if he had a sane plan for peace...like getting all of the people who control the elements to manipulate farmland and the earth so there's a mountain sized skyscraper where everyone can have a large home, all the food they can eat and using ninja arts to end scarcity so noone would work unless they actually wanted to.
With all of the crazy ass offensive techniques wouldn't making superfertile farmland and tiered homes be easy?
Ending scarcity and the struggle for resources and living space would end the motivation for like 99% of mankinds wars.
Maybe an economic plan where he sells shinobi services to other more technologically based countries to restore their environments to pristine condition and cure incurable diseases and gets world peace that way?
An economic system that perpetuates peace is soo much saner than holding hands and singing koombayah.
well, it depends how deep and submerged people will be within infinite tsukuyomi. i'm assuming everyone has their desires fulfilled without them realizing it. however, real life is the same way to a degree, where in government, some shady operations affect major events in history and we are fed a different story. it's kind of like what itachi said (sasuke vs itachi talk) where one's reality is shaped by their understanding of what's going on/what they are told, ie the story you believe to be true may not be true at all. something like that i guess.
in some ways we are already living it today. however full control is wrong because it limits any organic progress of mankind.
The way I see it is that it's something like the christian heaven.
Everyone gets the paradise they want, the limited tsukiyomi changed things and made them a shared experience for sakura and naruto but in the full tsukiyomi they'd get their own heaven.
Implementing the Infinite Tsukuyomi means that everyone dies. As the Road to Ninja movie showed, even though a couple of days passed during Naruto's and Sakura's shared experience in the Limited Tsukuyomi, when the genjutsu was broken no time had passed in the real world. Even when Itachi used regular Tsukuyomi on Sasuke and Kakashi both were under the genjutsu until Tsunade woke them up days later. Under this grand genjutsu everyone will have an ideal life while their physical body just stands there doing nothing! Since no one is eating they will just wither away and die. Also I assume that Inifinte Tsukuyomi doesn't work on animals so while everyone on the planet is standing still in a daze their physical bodies can be attacked by any and every creature and insect alive.
And for those readers who think the people will be still moving but seeing the world through rose colored eyes, well then the people under the genjutsu will be cooking for dead people that they believe are still alive. Rivals who fought over the same loved one would be doing things for the same person at different locations and therefore physically handing things to someone who is not there and therefore dropping everything everywhere.
It is a stupid idea!
@Kanamechidori- LOL, MEGA LOL, that's so true, could you imagine what edo hashirama can do for crops? He has infinite chakra and will never tire, furthermore infinite electricity and clean, fresh water from nowhere?
In the third movie (I think) there was an entire city that could fly and was completely self-sustaining with crops and livestock that buried their trash on the island and used it for compost, what did they do with it? They used it to rain fire jutsu on everyone below to establish themselves as a superpower and ended up self-destructing it all.... T_T
@YEEKUZA- Yes, Shahad mentioned that before, it's like we are already living in a mini MUTSU in some ways. We might be the same in it, just happier in the end.
@systemman- Actually madara implied that he would serve as the eternal caretaker of the world, he thinks he is doing an incredibly selfless thing here, and will be like the martyr, putting everyone in a bed on life support and using hashirama's cells to keep them alive in a state of suspended animation in the genjutsu and protecting the world from meteors and plagues and such. He believes he can do this and make it a world without death. I don't know about it working out like that, but he thinks he can set it up with minimal initial losses, and no major losses after the war is over. It would literally make it impossible for anyone to wage war, yet the violent can indulge their sickest desires without hurting anyone else.
It really is like heaven, it would be very different for everyone.
Edit: madara's life support- http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/602/11
flying wonder ninja city (infinite power, speedy transportation, very prosperous [sigh])-
Last edited by winterwyrm; May 08, 2013 at 01:49 AM.
compare to a world ruled by Naruto bulshits talks ... it would be better ..... at least Madara version ....
Well, good luck to you friend, you have made the best of it I suppose. I hear they have the best street food vendors in the world there though. =]
Last edited by winterwyrm; May 09, 2013 at 10:23 PM.
Ummm yeahh ... No: on both accounts. Lol
Overall, you just want to become a puppet. If your leader want you to eat his poop then you/re gonna eat it, after all, you don't have any free will.
I can almost picture it:
"Kurama, take a dump in their village center! Ok, you guys who have dared to threaten peace, eat up now! If you don't, me and Kurama buddy are going to nuke your asses! Believe it!"
Last edited by LnDRash; May 11, 2013 at 11:48 AM.