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I wasn't clear or rather I didn't even it. But I meant VA at the minimum or VA at the least.
And sure Aokiji could fight a Yonkou, perhaps with Jozu, although it will be tough on Jozu since Aokiji caused the loss of his arm.
(I think Aokiji is a little brat anyway. Had his life spared and all. He just exists on Sakazuki's kindness)
I also want to see the true wrath of Big Mam before we can really say how dangerous the individual Yonkou is.
Like how far is Luffy away from them in Power? Is he a few power-ups away? Or is he so far away he would get shutdown like on Sabaody?
In terms of ranking, how many people do you think are Admiral level out there right now?
By Admiral level I mean on par with Kizaru/Aokiji/Sakazuki
I'm saying Doflamingo, Marco, Jozu, Vista, Benn Beckmann off head.
(Garp, Sengoku and Issho needn't be included since we know their deal).
They got their fruits only hours before their 1-on-1 fights. They were pretty awesome for that.
Had they had years to use their fruit like Luffy had for example, they would have been seriously dangerous opponents.
Considering they are now living an almost Pirate life, coming into contact with Pirate crews and simply fighting them and no longer have govt aid in anyway anymore they are probably getting stronger like how any SuperRookie crew would.
I prob rank Shanks above both Marco and the admirals, otherwise WG can send 2 admirals finish off one of a yonkou. There is another hard estimate, I think the head of the CP0 is almost at the admiral level if he was the same man who gave DD order to assassinate Moria, not sure whether Kong instructed DD to do it or the head of CP0 gave out the order, hmmm.
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It is entirely possible that WB was altogether on a different class of his own before the the marineford war though. At large we saw him take out VAs like it was not big deal and the admirals could not really do anything to him at the start. WB was basically wore down all through the war until he died. To be honest I don't think anyone in the war actually ever fought on his level, not even akainu. Kuzan got a clean hit on WB and froze him but that did not even faze WB at the time. Just look at the final comments on him when he died... over 500 bullets, over 30 cannon balls and and a half blown head. The world government threw everything they had at WB and they barely killed him to be honest. Akainu even almost got killed a couple of times by WB if I recall.
I'm just going to jump in here and say that the Admirals were holding back during Marineford. They were at their main base and were already trying to limit the damage done by Whitebeard, plus there were allies around. Punk Hazard has already shown us that an Admiral using full power could have long term effects on the environment itself so I don't think it's a fair assessment to say that they are a tier lower. I think they are even in strength. While Whitebeard wasn't able to be taken out by an Admiral, he himself couldn't take one out either.
Garp and Sengoku probably thought it'd easier, quicker, and do less damage if they both took on Shiki. Add that to the fact that it'd lower the chances of either of them being injured to a great degree if Shiki was close to Roger's strength. It wouldn't be smart to just let one of them fight against him when he is a threat to the base and Roger's execution.
Akainu is not the type that would hold back in the war. He was practically going crazy all over, shooting his Magma hands, killing his comrades that wanted to escape etc. And WB almost beat him to death, he didn't simply 'get up soon after no worse for wear'. He was bleeding all over and almost fell down one of the cracks.
PS: BTW guys, isn't this post OOT? CP0?
Akainu does not strike me as the type to hold back to be honest. He was willing to fight even after sengoku put an end to the thing and had taken severe blows from WB. More than anything, I don't think the admirals could actually afford to hold back. True, they had to protect the platform which they did but through the war they still did well more than that and halfway through it none of them was even near the platform. It still had garp and sengoku after all. And sengoku did fight, he took on all the BB pirates. If they had not been there things might have been even worst for the pirates by the end.
I don't see how it can be said WB did not fully intend to destroy marineford.... I mean, his initial move was to actually start 2 tsunami's against the island and he actually dared sengoku to prevent him from sinking it. There was even point where the pirates were trapped inside that iron barrier and even WB could not destroy it with his power. His actual rampage started after he got stabbed however all through the war it did seem like he was trying his best.
Well, my point with sengoku was that he was distracted by BB and if that had not been the case he would have joined the fray. Garp not joining the fray was more of his choice than anything else, the marines themselves did not actually hold him back. He just pretended to have been taken out by luffy after all (and I guess even sengoku did not have it in him to force garp to act to have ace and luffy murdered).
there is also the consideration that at least before ace was removed from the gaol it was sengoku who was calling the shots in the war. He was the one organizing the traps and coordinating marine movements. It wasn't so much as him being held back as much as it was that he was the commander in chief and was the only one with the sense and authority to make decisions there. Even then, the admirals were nowhere near ace when the pirates started fighting in the giancorde plaza (I am not 100% sure of that name) and from that point onward we saw all the admirals fighting multiple people, mainly WB and the commanders.
All because I questioned Jozus power level to probably be around an admirals? -_- Yeah it's become OOT as we haven't compared any of those lastly named characters to those white suits, while not having even seen them in action yet.
We were discussing whether or not Lucci was VA level before then, because Lucci is the strongest of CP9, if we agreed that Lucci was VA level then it means we could expect the strongest of CP0 to even be of the Admiral level.
So no it isn't as bad that guy who claimed it was OOT thought. Otherwise the mods would have obviously intervened.
Back to where we were, which was discussing the power of the Admiral level characters in the series to measure the level of power we expect at least 1 of the CP0 characters should be.
Like I said before, I'm expecting at least a few strong members to spearhead the attack of the CP0 just like Lucci, Kaku and Jabra did for CP9.
We haven't had a serious 1-on-1 for Sanji in Part II yet so I'm expecting this to be his arc to shine.
I want somebody at higher VA level-minimum to fight Sanji.