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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    Quote Originally Posted by kannazuki View Post
    naruto-niichan, have you seek "K"? As opposed to the weird random made up words you mention, people actually speak what's supposed to be native German with Japanese accents. It's exactly the same thing they do with English in the same show. Accents are perfectly cool if the language isn't one's first, but it's kinda weird to have native Germans/English speakers voiced with Japanese accents. You're lucky if they get someone to check if it's grammatically correct, but even if they do, I guess they can't afford to get coaching for people to pronounce most things correctly.
    Though if you actually look at K's casting carefully, they did get a seiyuu who was born and lived in Germany throughout his childhood and adolescent there to voice in German for them though, as the Silver King (already forgot his name).

    The only thing I like about this show so far...the opening...and the casting. They sure did a good job getting TM Rev and Mitsuki Nana to sing a duo there. Casting is awesome as well (though still not the best of this season...:3 ) Just love it. As expected of Sunrise, as far as those two things go...but everything else...Well, everything else is average for me, not the best show of the season, but definitely not the worst show either. I can still enjoy it, though I have to say the past three episodes are extremely meh. I'm more or less flexible with things, so I still find it OK though...Never watch Guilty Crown, so I can't compare I guess.
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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    I was disappointed by Guilty Crown but it at least had a coherent plot throughout. Also, you're far less likely to have someone get shot in the face by his friend, practically curse his name because of it and then try to kill him ONE week, and the the NEXT week be all "but he'd never betray us!"

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    Quote Originally Posted by kannazuki View Post
    I was disappointed by Guilty Crown but it at least had a coherent plot throughout. Also, you're far less likely to have someone get shot in the face by his friend, practically curse his name because of it and then try to kill him ONE week, and the the NEXT week be all "but he'd never betray us!"
    Well, Guilty Crown was okay/good at the beginning but became a total mess starting with the second half. Not to mention that Shuu became hella annoying, his development was pretty illogical. It's one of the shows I consider a total failure, especially if one considers the hype around it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ju-da-su View Post
    Though if you actually look at K's casting carefully, they did get a seiyuu who was born and lived in Germany throughout his childhood and adolescent there to voice in German for them though, as the Silver King (already forgot his name).
    Really? You barely could understand his german, even though most was grammaticaly correct IIRC. It seems japanese have way more of a problem with pronouncing german because it sounded absolutely horrible. You could barely tell he was talking german but if not for subtitles I wouldn't have understood it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kannazuki View Post
    naruto-niichan, have you seek "K"? As opposed to the weird random made up words you mention, people actually speak what's supposed to be native German with Japanese accents. It's exactly the same thing they do with English in the same show. Accents are perfectly cool if the language isn't one's first, but it's kinda weird to have native Germans/English speakers voiced with Japanese accents. You're lucky if they get someone to check if it's grammatically correct, but even if they do, I guess they can't afford to get coaching for people to pronounce most things correctly.
    Well speaking is another case, I'm not judging them for that. Finding a native japanese who speaks a relatively understandable german seems to be pretty impossible, as far as my experience goes. Like I mentioned above, I watched the show and thought his german was horrible. I'm not talking about the pronounciation here, it was okay how they pronounced "Blitzenregen" but please, at least look up if the word is grammaticaly correct before you use a foreign language. While Tite Kubo isn't the best example for delivering a good german, he at least gets some words right (like "Lichtregen", which was pronounced pretty fine by Ichida's seiyuu too). Seriously, there are german out there who are able to speak japanese so it can't be that hard to contact them and do a medium amount of research before you use some nonsense words. Seeing them say the word "Blitzenregen" (or was it "Blitzendegen"? Doesn't make a difference though) while doing some kind of nazi salute made me laugh hard. It screams prejudices too.

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    I think you misunderstood what I was saying. As far as I was aware, the grammar and such was probably fine in K. What I'm saying is it's fine if the *character* is a Japanese person speaking another language and s/he has an accent, but if the character is supposed to natively speak whatever language, s/he should be coached and rehearsed in speaking that language so it's passably natural-sounding. They probably just can't afford to hire language coaches like they use in other nations' film industries since it's only anime and the business (TV) in particular isn't rolling in dough.

    That said, based on what Ju-Da-Su said, apparently they tried hiring a guy who spent his youth in Germany for K. So either they coached the right sound out of him and replaced it with what we got, or that guy was exaggerating his skills on his CV. ^_^;

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    Quote Originally Posted by naruto-niichan View Post
    On a totally unrelated note, I hate how the japanese seem to always butcher german They should just work together with a native german who learned japanese or something like this because absolutely no one here would say "Blitzenregen"... at least it should be "Blitzregen" and even that would be a very unusual word here in germany. "Waffe" is plain weird too, as that just translates to "Weapon". Giving that name to units is stupid, somehow.
    Have you seen Guilty Crown? The top unit of the ghost squad was called Gespenst... Creativity is not their strong point.

    Anyway. A nice Blitzendegen to all of you. \o/

    You all already commented on the fun parts so I just say what I liked most:

    - The 3:14 thing. I agree. L-Elf is Pi-man now! Chilling for 15 minutes with explosives... Makes sense... Wherever he found them... Was there a convenience store down there?
    - Valvrave aka The social Network. I wonder if the Valvrave mech has a Facebook option too...
    - L-Elfs Derps. From "I'MAFUCKINGKILL YOOOOOOOOOU L-ELF " to "L-elf betrayed us...? Nooooooooo Waaaaaaaaaay " Yeah Sure.
    - How did he survive without air? Is this Mass Effect now?
    - Who needs bombs when you can destroy enemy units with simple smoke? I mean don't they have a sonar? They just kept flying without sight?!
    - Red haired nerd chick
    - L-Elf was a) schooled by Aizen, no doubt and b) not THAT bad after all? Yeah... sure...

    I love that show...
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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    This seems like a show where I can get more entertained from the reactions rather than the show itself.

    I only watched the first episode, and I'm glad that others share the sentiment as I do in seeing how bad the writing is:

    First of all, we're introduced to so many characters that I doubt a third of them will be relevant to the plot.

    Secondly, there was no world building whatsoever. World building provides the backbone in a sci-fi/fantasy, and everything else falls flat without it. Dorssia is ~*bad*~, but we're not really told why (unless my memory is faulty). And also, Haruto is Japanese even though Japan as a nation doesn't exist during this time? Whut?

    Thirdly, Shoko's death was a really cheap plot device. If the writers wanted to have Haruto react, they could have easily had her be badly injured. I don't care about her character so her death wasn't sad at all. However, it turns out that she's alive (I don't care for spoilers) so I don't know why they proclaimed her be dead when they could have easily had her hurt or on the brink of death.

    Finally, how in the world was Haruto able to operate Valvrave? It would make sense if his school trained students to control robots (albeit much smaller ones), but we were never shown that in the first episode.

    At this point I think I'll continue to watch just to understand what everyone in this post is talking about.

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    You certainly should continue watching this show Asarii.

    It's the best comedy Anime this season has to offer! \o/

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguardian View Post
    You certainly should continue watching this show Asarii.

    It's the best comedy Anime this season has to offer! \o/
    Will argue that Hataraku Maou-sama is the best comedy of this season, but...well, guess you're half-right. This show indeed is one real piece of comedy.

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    @Asarii: It just gets worse, and it's hilarious. Before it all ends the Valvrave might transform into a flying spaghetti monster! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    @Ju-da-su: I just pulled up that show is about and now I have to watch it.

    Auto-correct is a double edged sword.

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    Episode 04:

    Under normal circumstances I'd just ignore the plot and enjoy the rest...

    But let me get this straight:

    - ARUS is a bunch of cowards. How could they ever be a threat to Dorssia? They knuckle under a bunch of high school children!!! This Figaro guy might be the most useless leader ever.
    - ARUS kidnapped Haruto who noticed he has to bite bare skin... They send ONE guy to guard him... ONE.
    - Studet Council... Holy crap what the hell... "No we won't believe you..." ... " She is stripping... She HAS to tell the truth!!! " ... Whut?
    - Red haired NEET chick ... How the hell did NOBODY ever notice her there? It's not like the "camouflage" of her hideout was well made...
    - A bunch of (retarded) students declaring independence... Why I think they are retarded? Well yeah they panicked... But they changed their opinion with every new spoken sentence!!! The teacher was totally useless like every adult there.
    - Pi-man... Well he was just underwhelming again. But at least he couldn't perform magic tricks this time
    - Haruto pushing the school somewhere... How is that possible? Am I supposed to believe a whole district there can live on it's own without energy from the rest of the artificial planet?
    - Dorssia Have they stopped attacking just for the Lulz?
    - Lovers quarrel "Oh no Haruto isn't picking up... He hates me... " This feels so out of place... Shoukos friends act totally normal too... Is that everydays live for space students?

    I think the plot might have hit bottom. It can't get any worse now can it?

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguardian View Post
    Episode 04:

    Under normal circumstances I'd just ignore the plot and enjoy the rest...

    But let me get this straight:

    - ARUS is a bunch of cowards. How could they ever be a threat to Dorssia? They knuckle under a bunch of high school children!!! This Figaro guy might be the most useless leader ever.
    Yep, they could have just threatened to shoot more kids.
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    - ARUS kidnapped Haruto who noticed he has to bite bare skin... They send ONE guy to guard him... ONE.
    I don't see a problem with this one. Without the VVV he's just a regular kid, as far as they're aware. I mean obviously they didn't know the machine makes you into a vampire and that it would reject (& kill?) their chosen pilot.

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    - Studet Council... Holy crap what the hell... "No we won't believe you..." ... " She is stripping... She HAS to tell the truth!!! " ... Whut?
    I have no idea. At first I thought she was going to reveal some secret hidden who-knows-what on her body but she made that comment about proving she was "pure" (I should've listened for the Japanese there...). Bizarre. I suppose the idea was supposed to be that if she'll go so far she must be telling the truth (since she's the president of JIOR's daughter or some such). So.... let's have a fantease!

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    - Dorssia Have they stopped attacking just for the Lulz?
    I think the idea here is that ARUS' presence is repelling them from that particular district. Weren't the earthquakes (during this ep, not the last one) supposed to be Dorssia attacking? At least, I think that's what pi-man (pi-boy?) said.

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    - Lovers quarrel "Oh no Haruto isn't picking up... He hates me... " This feels so out of place... Shoukos friends act totally normal too... Is that everydays live for space students?
    Yeah that was weird and awkward, but still not as much so as Haruto's "Shouko's alive! I'll just bliss out and be so oblivious to the fact my other classmate has a gun to her head that the hostage taker will be forced to turn his gun on me" moment.

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    I think the plot might have hit bottom. It can't get any worse now can it?
    I have to admit I enjoyed this ep and its Guilty Crown-esque "students beat the outside forces with their own guts and gusto" bit.

    L-Elf even got to laugh so it can't be all bad, right?

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    Best part of the entire episode was "call me Moses".
    Or maybe it was Haruto pulling a Spongebob and pushing the school bubble somewhere else. I can't imagine that being a good idea, but everything can happen in Valvrave.
    Or Shoko's lewd striptease of truth...... I wonder if she learned that negotiation technique from her pops! *shot*
    By the end of the episode I felt like Urafurafu/Pi-man was meant to mimic the feelings of you, the viewer with that "I can't believe this silly bs" laugh. (or at least that's how I took it)
    This show is so ridiculous, I hope it never changes.
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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    I'm not sure whether I like this show in spite, or because of, it's ridiculousness. My favorite part was when Yamada dodged gunfire from an automatic weapon, shot from near point blank range.

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    Re: Kakumeiki Valvrave

    I made the mistake of looking at some pixiv fanart for a laugh after last week's ep and I came across a particular strip that seems to be forever making me look at Dorssia's leader funny. (It was a joke about him accidentally substituting something else in place of his eyepatch, one day. Something you might not notice the difference with, at first, but once you do...) Anyway, as soon as I saw him in those few moments at the start of this ep, I was laughing out loud. xD

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