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    Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    The title says it all guys, what do you think is the overall best basic element jutsu?
    No Amaterasu, Jinton, Yoton or wtv. The basic 5 element: Katon, Suiton, Fuuton, Raiton and Doton.
    Keep in mind you have to evaluate not only the capability to kill but to put the enemy on alert, to protect the user, and to turn the tide of the battle after all.

    I'll give my input a few posts later, I don't want to get biased opinions.
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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Two jutsu are fighting for first place: Kirin and Daikoudan. I'll list why:

    Kirin: It's incredible in every facet when it comes to ranking jutsu.

    Power-wise: It's considered "on a level that a human can't create by themselves". In other words, you have to be a sage or jinchuuriki to produce something of that scale. It's also got no upper limit, as the power is directly proportional to the size of the storm used to power it, and the size of the storm used to power it is directly proportional to the amount of heat used to create the cumulonimbus clouds that house the electricity that will eventually become lighting. And perhaps the most impressive thing about the jutsu is that it hits within 1/1000th of a second.

    Cost-effectiveness: You get to use a S rank mountain-crushing jutsu for the cost of what... a B rank jutsu? It even EXCEEDS S rank once powered up with even more heat. You can recycle your Katon into a Raiton! Hell, you can recycle your OPPONENT'S Katon into a Raiton! GENIUS!!!

    Danger to the user: It doesn't put any undue stress on the wielder of the technique because your body doesn't create the attack. Aslong as you had enough chakra to prep the storm, you're fine. The real danger however is that you only get 1 shot, and... it's kinda gonna blow up the whole battlefield. So you wanna not be on the battlefield when it drops. Get to high ground!

    Now... Daikoudan.

    Power-wise: The jutsu is a Suiton, and just like all Suiton it's damage is based on how much water you hit the opponent with in one fell swoop. In that instance it's similar to Kirin. However, Daikoudan also grows in power if it collides with a Ninjutsu, absorbing the chakra from it and growing bigger in the process. So it's guaranteed to beat out any big ninjutsu clash. There's no beating that. Unless maybe you have a Doton of the same strength? But then it absorbs chakra so... wouldn't it still beat the Doton by absorbing the chakra that created it? Hmm.

    Cost-effectiveness: Well, Kisame's the tailless jinchuuriki. He also steels chakra from people with Samehada so... Kirin beats it here, as Daikoudan would cost as much as it takes for a normal gigantic S rank Suiton. Not much for Kisame, who's got a colossal chakra reserve aswell as the ability to absorb more chakra. But not everyone has this. Inother words, anyone can make Kirin even when they're on their death bed. But if you don't have enough chakra to toss out an S-rank jutsu you're NOT using Daikoudan. It also trumps Kirin in the fact that it can be used ad nauseum provided you have the chakra to do so. Once Kirin is used once however, you're DONE.

    Danger to the user: Well, there's the likely huuuuge chakra cost... and also the fact that you probably need nearby water to use it in the first place (which would mean even greater chakra cost since you gotta spit out a fucking lake, then create the jutsu). Other than that you're golden. It's less likely to kill you while using it the way Kirin does. Though it definitely isn't as fast as Kirin. Nothing's fast as Kirin. Except Hiraishin. And apparently activating Susanoo, lol.

    So... I'm going with Kirin. Because even though it's more dangerous to the user and can only be used once, it costs less to use (meaning more people can get awesome useage out of it), hits so fast that anyone who could potentially block it won't have time to, and has no finite level of power. Daikoudan's starting power is based on the amount of water you have, the huge chakra amount paid for it, and hitting an opponent head on while absorbing their own chakra. It's also completely useless against high scale attacks that aren't made of chakra.

    I didn't include Amaterasu in this list because even though the databook considers it a Katon, others would argue that it's Enton and thus not a basic element. Also because it would've lost out to these other jutsu because of it's gigantic chakra cost, eye bleeding, head pain, and reliance on kekkei genkai.

    ---------- Post added at 01:15 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:06 AM ----------

    Ah! Didn't take into consideration the "alert" status it'd place the user in. But then, Kirin wins that bout too. Think about it:

    You're fighting your opponent. He's faster than you. You know he is. They jump up and you fire your Gouryuuka at them, and it misses. The jutsu flies past them up into the clouds. The opponent thinks he's winning because you just waisted a massive Katon that missed them. You keep your cool. You keep your mouth closed as you continue fighting the opponent, taking steps to slow them down. It starts raining...

    The opponent pays no mind to the storm because... it's just a normal storm, and you're fighting outside. It couldn't be YOUR doing. Right?

    Ofcourse not. So, they prep their game-winning jutsu from afar, unaware that the lightning above is combining into a giant beast until the flash is seen. By this point, he's done. There's no where to hide. The only thing he can hope to do is rush you before the jutsu drops. Right? WRONG! Unless he's an S/T specialist he's not closing the gap in 1/1000th of a second. He's done. Even if he dodges to the side via luck, he's still atomized by the explosion. GG.

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Amaterasu.

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Amaterasu.
    strong reasons.
    not srs, pls explain
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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan
    Amaterasu.

    Quote Originally Posted by Some Genius
    I didn't include Amaterasu in this list because even though the databook considers it a Katon, others would argue that it's Enton and thus not a basic element. Also because it would've lost out to these other jutsu because of it's gigantic chakra cost, eye bleeding, head pain, and reliance on kekkei genkai.
    I agree with the genius above me. Amaterasu has too many side effects, and actually may or may not be a basic elemental jutsu. The thread creator didn't specify whether he wanted basic elements or not, but I put the "basic element" limitation on myself because according to the wiki, jutsu that are combinations of multiple elements don't have the elemental weaknesses of either element used to make it. So, Gaara's sand shouldn't be a normal element, just like wood, lava, and storm elements aren't normal.

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    I agree with the genius above me. Amaterasu has too many side effects, and actually may or may not be a basic elemental jutsu. The thread creator didn't specify whether he wanted basic elements or not, but I put the "basic element" limitation on myself because according to the wiki, jutsu that are combinations of multiple elements don't have the elemental weaknesses of either element used to make it. So, Gaara's sand shouldn't be a normal element, just like wood, lava, and storm elements aren't normal.
    I didnt specify but I think you're right, and we need to limit to the basic elements.
    Gonna edit the OP.

    Also, what about rasenshuriken? Hurtful to the user too but strong as hell. We don't know the chackra cost though.
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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    FRS is definitely up there, but I think that Kirin and Daikoudan are superior based on the fact that both of these are less dangerous to the user than FRS, and both require less prerequisites just to be able to use it. As a "normal" human Naruto can't throw it, and the jutsu destroys his arm if he doesn't. It requires Sage Mode to be fully effective so he can throw it. You get more shots than with a Kirin, but you sacrifice your Sage Mode if you use it two or three times, meaning you lose all the boosts you'd have as a Sage (no more sensing, no more boosted jutsu). Until you get back into Sage Mode ofcourse.

    So, while all it takes to be able to use a Daikoudan or a Kirin is know-how and chakra, FRS requires you be a Sage. Which isn't easy. Much like Amaterasu is deadly but comes at such a great cost that using it is more often a waste, FRS would be the same for anyone that's not a Sage... or Jinchuuriki (forgot that Naruto can use it in Chakra Mode).

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Raiton no Yoroi
    Power-wise: Its power doesnt come from the damage it does per se, but from the abilities it grants to the user of the jutsu. Highly enhanced physical speed and reflexes, enhanced physical strength, serves as a very effective armor... Very complete jutsu I must say, but it doesn't cause any damage to the opponent by himself though. Its more of a super sayian level. Nomsayian?

    Cost-effectiveness: Now the power it grants the user its quite large, but you need to be prolific with taijutsu to be able to use all of that power. About the chackra it uses we don't really know, but it doesnt seem to be a quite lot. Not as much as daikoudan thats for sure as Ay is able to keep it a long time.

    Danger to the user: There is no known danger to this jutsu I think?
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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    That's another good one, but I didn't consider it because well... it ain't all that powerful. Both FRS and Kirin would obliterate it in a direct clash. Chidori pierced through it, if only barely, meaning a Raikiri should bust through completely.

    As for chakra it uses, Raikage has been confirmed to have Bijuu-level chakra. Because the jutsu stays active it's likely a constant drain on the user, meaning they need tons of chakra to keep pouring into the jutsu to keep it going.

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    That's another good one, but I didn't consider it because well... it ain't all that powerful. Both FRS and Kirin would obliterate it in a direct clash. Chidori pierced through it, if only barely, meaning a Raikiri should bust through completely.

    As for chakra it uses, Raikage has been confirmed to have Bijuu-level chakra. Because the jutsu stays active it's likely a constant drain on the user, meaning they need tons of chakra to keep pouring into the jutsu to keep it going.
    I don't think its fair to compare jutsus like you did.
    If we go that way Daikoudan is (almost?) unbeatable.
    I'll post more jutsus later
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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    For me I think its:

    Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave (the water dome)

    Excellent for defense and offense if the user can breathe and move fast in the water like Kisame and Hanzo. Priceless for setting up water jutsu and water dependent summonings. Possible drawback is chakra cost though theres no way of proving that as Kisame never broke a sweat from using it even right after getting his chest blow up.

    *Basically no alert
    *Protects the user in several ways
    *Turns the tide of the battle --- Well one minute kisame has his chest blown up and the other minute hes suffocating a version 2 bee so yeah :P

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    For me it has to be kirin. Ordinarily it would have the sheer amount of power only a biju could match considering biju are supposed to match forces of nature. The technique while somewhat hard to set up does have huge payback... it completely obliterated the hill itachi and sasuke were standing on. I terms of elemental jutsu I don't think there is a single jutsu that actually matches up to this one in terms of firepower. Its also basically impossible to dodge considering no human so far is actually able to move at the actual speed of thunder. The closest thing to that so far is teleporting however in this case for that to work the user has to be able to even conceive the idea of teleporting before the attack is done. Once the attack is fired there is no dodging...

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Dynamic Entry!

    Always strikes first and its so fast not even Jiraiya could put up his hair defense in time.

    And don't try to tell me its not elemental

    Its infused with the burning passion of youth, so it qualifies as a Katon.
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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardDvs View Post
    strong reasons.
    not srs, pls explain
    Sure thing:

    1-Speed of the attack. You need Raikage level to dodge.
    2-The ability to burn trough fireproof material and fire itself (if focused).
    3-The inability to put it out to the point the targed its burned down.
    4-A good MS user can just about spam it (aka Sasuke).
    5-The ability to enlarge it to cover something of a 5 level building (8 tails).
    6-The ability to shield you in it.
    7-The ability to "kill" living rocks (Kabuto's jutsu).

    Probably more but meh. Its enough for me. The databook even states it burns as hot as the Sun or something like that.

    @ninjabot

    I don't see how Amaterasu is a combination of elements. Its fire. Anyway that was my opinion.

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    Re: Strongest Elemental Jutsu?

    Find answers below
    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Sure thing:

    1-Speed of the attack. You need Raikage level to dodge.
    Sasuke wasnt raikage level and he did it though.
    2-The ability to burn trough fireproof material and fire itself (if focused).
    3-The inability to put it out to the point the targed its burned down.
    4-A good MS user can just about spam it (aka Sasuke).
    But at what cost?
    5-The ability to enlarge it to cover something of a 5 level building (8 tails).
    I don't think it was Sasuke who enlarged. Of course it will enlarge itself as it is fire, but the user can't do it.
    6-The ability to shield you in it.
    Brb getting Susanoo.
    7-The ability to "kill" living rocks (Kabuto's jutsu).
    No one besides Kabuto has that ability thus far, so not really relevant. Maybe common works too.
    Probably more but meh. Its enough for me. The databook even states it burns as hot as the Sun or something like that.
    Yeah it does.
    I don't see how Amaterasu is a combination of elements. Its fire. Anyway that was my opinion.
    Its not a combination but its a kekkei genkkai / different element (of course).
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