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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
This is why it's relevant. You're not always gonna be in a situation with the best conditions. The major conditions that will limit the effectiveness of Amaterasu is whether you're an Uchiha, whether you have a ton of chakra to throw away, how fast the opponent is, whether they have a perfect defense up to block your eyesight, etc. The number of conditions that limit Kirin's effectiveness are far lower because it's the fastest direct attack in the manga, has a destructive area of effect that can pulverize an entire hill, costs no chakra as long as you have heat to create it... doesn't need a kekkei genkai, so ANY ninja can use it provided they take the time to learn Raiton mastery... it's a jutsu every ninja should have in their repertoire. It's THAT good.Originally Posted by xXan
The only limitation being that it's a one-shot jutsu that can catch you in the crossfire.
Quote:There's only one Sasuke. And Itachi's dead. There were two ninja in the entirety of the manga capable of using this jutsu. And even then, could only eliminate the pain and high cost by taking someone elses eyes. Sharingan are too rare. There ARE no other Uchiha. It's IMPOSSIBLE to gain Amaterasu from now on unless you rip Sasuke's eyes out and take them. I'd say that's a major drawback right there, the fact that he's the last person in existence who'll ever have access to the jutsu.Quote:
This isn't about a particular character's ability to use jutsu. It's about the jutsu itself. I couldn't care less if Sasuke could do it. I care if any other ninja besides Sasuke can use it, let alone effectively. It goes like this:Quote:
Sasuke is the only one who can use Amaterasu. Difficulty: 100 (impossible)
Anyone with a large chakra reserve and wind release, can become a Sage and use FRS effectively. Difficulty 60: pretty hard, as Rasengan takes awhile to learn anyway.
Anyone with Bijuu-level chakra reserves and Raiton mastery can learn Raiton Armor. Difficulty 30. No handseals but takes masterful shape manipulation and nature transformation.
Anyone with AVERAGE or slightly ABOVE AVERAGE chakra, access to a lot of heat, and skill with Raiton can use Kirin. Difficulty 10.
It's that simple.
They don't need to be Uzumaki. Jiraiya had the chakra necessary for Sage Mode and we don't even know what his clan is. There are other characters with giant chakra reserves aswell. And that's all it takes. Chakra and patience. And you don't need KB to learn Sage Mode or FRS. It just cuts your time down immensely. Hell, you don't even need Sage Mode, you just need tons of chakra. Someone with Bijuu level chakra like Raikage would be able to throw it no problem, proven by the fact that Naruto can throw it in Chakra Mode without having to activate Sage Mode first.Quote:
Then stop wasting your time.Quote:
You know the rules. Pics or it didn't happen. And since it didn't happen, as of now, it has no elemental weakness.Quote:
Again, no he DIDN'T. He didn't have to be an Uzumaki, he just needed Uzumaki class chakra. He could've been a Senju. He could've been what Jiraiya is. Or Kisame is.Quote:
Yin release or lightning could both be the other elements.Quote:
Then you're not looking hard enough. I'll say it as plain as day: If you're going to use the databook, you don't get to ignore parts of it you don't like, while relying on the parts you do. It says in the same damn paragraph it's as hot as the sun. If you're gonna accept that it's plain old fire, then you also accept that it's as hot as the sun. If you don't accept that it's hot as the sun, then you don't accept that it's plain old fire.Quote:
You don't get to pick one.
It's not that it has drawbacks. It's that it has way more drawbacks than positives. Way more drawbacks than the other jutsu listed.Quote:
And with that, I'm done with this thread until more posters decide to intervene.
FRS has even worse same conditions. So how the hell is it relevant?Quote:
Kirin takes an entire fight to prep... Amaterasu is better. You can shoot it right off the bat. Also Kiring is EASY to counter. Just move next to the user and the user can't shoot it or he would kill himself... Now if you are going to say "Sasuke pops Susano" then you invalidate your own point. How many people are going to have Susano? Now Kirin costs a ton of chakra to set up. What you think the heat would pop out of nowhere?
Now you must have a great reason why not all the Raiton users can shoot Kirin... Not that it matters as if you don't have Susano you are going to kill yourself.
Seriously? You have 1 man in the entirety of this manga who can shoot FRS... Its THAT rare.Quote:
Again its irrelevant who can use this jutsu compared to what is the most powerfull elemental jutsu. This is what the OP states:
What you keep going on about is completly irrelevant to this topic. It does not matter how many people are able to use it, completly irrelevant.Quote:
Going by the OP this is completly irrelevant.Quote:
Right because ANYBODY else aside for a Uzumaki can handle Kurama right? JMan can create the 1000 clones to learn that jutsu? Naruto is a genius when it comes to learning stuff and he needed 1000 clones... I mean when is JMan going to learn it? Seconds before ending up dead (old age). Yes he is a genius learning SC in 1 night... Able to learn Rasengan in 1 week. Then you also need Futon afinity... What are the ods of having all of this elements in 1 man... Just having Raikage tons of chakra would not allow you to trow it... In SM Naruto has the ability to control it... In chakra mode he controls his chakra to an insane level to keep it and what not. Give me 1, 1 man in this entire manga who could use, develop and what not FRS. Only 1 man. Take note he must have all the elements 1 would need to use it.Quote:
I am following the conditions set by the OP, you are NOT. Well aside for the "Kishi has no idea what he is talking about, Amaterasu is not a Katon and you can't use it".Quote:
Wrong topic bud. This is not the battleforums. You can't make a claim with no evidence. If you belive it has no elemental weakness you need to prove it. Just stating it was never showed so it has no weakness is nonsense.Quote:
Who else but Naruto can learn it and use it? Name 1.Quote:
You have nothing to indicate any of it. Well aside for "its to powerfull"... Who cares.Quote:
Kishi can use "cool" words to describe what it is. Like its hot as the sun and what not but the clasification is completly diferent. He put it under Katon. CLEAR FACT. Show me 1 jutsu that was clasified wrong by jutsu... I am sure Kakashi's dragon suiton is under SUITON.Quote:
Of course this si a COMPLETE waste of my time. Kiski claims its a Katon and then you show up and tell me Kishi has no bloody clue what he states... KISHI > YOU. You don't get to contradict the man that CREATED this manga. You also have 0 evidence to disprove his claim. Nothing he showed in the manga itself shows Amaterasu as anything but fire.
Sure... FRS for 1 is way better then Kirin as to the point you can actualy use it you are probably dead.Quote:
Kirin. Some random guy not Sasuke. What does it mean:
No CS lvl 2 to power the Katon.
No Susano to defending himself.
A long time to activate it..
He is going to fight Raikage. Fight starts and this guy ends up with no head. How good was it? Hell anything but a guy who would fight you for a LONG time for you to have this jutsu (no CS and you need a ton of Katons, no Amaterasu burning an entire forest and you need even MORE) and this jutsu is completly irrelevant.
Hell moving close to the user and this jutsu ends up as a kill yourself jutsu...
FRS>Kirin...But its Amaterasu>FRS>Kirin. Something like that (between the 3 named jutsus).
Last edited by xXan; April 23, 2013 at 03:35 AM.
Does raiton aura counts?
I mean - enhanced defense, speed and attack... is pretty awesome...
I thought this was just about five basic elements?
To me, Fuuton is the best element since it offers both good offence and defense. It is stated to be the best attacking element up close. Which we have seen with Asuma, Baki, and Naruto. We've see it used effectively from mid range with Danzou. And we've seen it used long range and defensively with Temari and the Shukaku.
Or imagine a fuuton aura, cutting everything you touch...
that would be a real defensive jutsu
I don't see how you can make a Fulton shield cutting everything without cutting you also.
or sasuke's amaterasu shield without burning himself.
Sasuke has it on Susano, never on himself.