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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Is there even any real meaning to calling anyone a Supernova anymore? It meant something as applied to the eleven pirates originally identified during the Sabaody arc. It's not an organization, not a title, not a rank, and has barely been used since. The Mangarule translation did not identify Bartolomeo as Supernova, only Mangastream. The original Supernova are not even called that anymore. Along with Teach, they are now referred to as the Worst Generation. Supernova does not even hold any meaning in regards towards those it was originally applied to.

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    Is there even any real meaning to calling anyone a Supernova anymore? It meant something as applied to the eleven pirates originally identified during the Sabaody arc. It's not an organization, not a title, not a rank, and has barely been used since. The Mangarule translation did not identify Bartolomeo as Supernova, only Mangastream. The original Supernova are not even called that anymore. Along with Teach, they are now referred to as the Worst Generation. Supernova does not even hold any meaning in regards towards those it was originally applied to.
    CCC recognised his mistake about not identified Bartolomeo as supernova. Take a look Here, here , here, here, and here the correction Aohige made to CCC on the term 'supernova'.

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    That's great, but it doesn't answer my question. What meaning does the term have? Yonkou (roughly) means they are one of the four most powerful in the New World. Shichibukai means they have become privateers allied to the World Government. The Worst Generation are the rookies from the time of the War. Admiral is a rank, Vice-Admiral is a rank. What meaning does Supernova have? Applied to all rookies with bounties over 100million beri it is nothing but botany, with no meaning beyond cataloging characters. There is none of the significance, no affiliation, no benefit, nor plot implications carried by the other designations.

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    That's great, but it doesn't answer my question. What meaning does the term have? Yonkou (roughly) means they are one of the four most powerful in the New World. Shichibukai means they have become privateers allied to the World Government. The Worst Generation are the rookies from the time of the War. Admiral is a rank, Vice-Admiral is a rank. What meaning does Supernova have? Applied to all rookies with bounties over 100million beri it is nothing but botany, with no meaning beyond cataloging characters. There is none of the significance, no affiliation, no benefit, nor plot implications carried by the other designations.
    It's not a big term among the OP vocabulary. It only means outstanding rookie, and it refers specifically to those rookies with a bounty higher than 100' bellies. The meaning comes from chapter 498: "the eleven supernovas". Tho, Shakky didn't say it straightforwardly, she says in this page of that chapter there are 11 pirates with a bounty higher than 100' bellies. According to her explanation, a supernova would be a rookie that began sailing through the grandline and reached the red line in Sabaondy with a bounty higher than that amount. So it's a term relative to that point of the way to sail the whole grandline (you can get a bounty higher than that only after Sabaondy, and in that case, you wouldn't deserve the title.) (Wiki summarizes it in its first paragraph)

    But at this point the terms is just a mere anecdote. Even if the bounty is not a good indicative of power, a 100' bellies pirate seems to be something very regular in the New World.
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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    I understand who the Eleven Supernova are and why they were given that name. I do not need an explanation, thank you. That was not my question either. My question is what does supernova mean when applied to all 100million beri rookies. Eleven rookies from the same generation accumulating bounty over 100million was supposed to be very unusual. Supernova was a collective identity, a special generation. Without that group identity, the title does not say anything. It is empty jargon. We don't need a special title to understand that someone has a bounty over 100million beri. Used for all 100million beri rookies, supernova isn't even specific enough to tell us anything about their bounties. Luffy's bounty was 300million when he was first called a supernova, 200million over the minimum. So what does it say about a character, and how does it advance the story, to call all rookies (not just the Worst Generation) Supernova.

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    Supernova was a collective identity, a special generation.
    Supernovae IS a collective identity noun, NOT a special generation.

    The Eleven Supernovae IS a special generation, a specific group of pirates.
    Last edited by alelucas; April 24, 2013 at 05:56 PM.

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    I understand who the Eleven Supernova are and why they were given that name. I do not need an explanation, thank you. That was not my question either. My question is what does supernova mean when applied to all 100million beri rookies. Eleven rookies from the same generation accumulating bounty over 100million was supposed to be very unusual. Supernova was a collective identity, a special generation. Without that group identity, the title does not say anything. It is empty jargon. We don't need a special title to understand that someone has a bounty over 100million beri. Used for all 100million beri rookies, supernova isn't even specific enough to tell us anything about their bounties. Luffy's bounty was 300million when he was first called a supernova, 200million over the minimum. So what does it say about a character, and how does it advance the story, to call all rookies (not just the Worst Generation) Supernova.
    Then your question is about its importance, rather than about its meaning. Well, with its use in chapter 707, in reference to Bartolomeo, Oda has sealed its meaning: supernova is all rookie with a bounty higher than 100' bellies. Nothing more nothing less. If you say that there is nothing special on it, I agree: it's not important at all, not a key to understand something essencial or central. But the meaning is that.

    On the other hand, Bartolomeo doesn't belong to the worst generation.

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    @Kaiten
    Oda is a person who always wants to give the readers entertainment and excitement in all aspects, including words too.
    There's no difference of the substantive meaning between "super rookies" and "supernovas", but just calling 100m rookies "super rookies" is boring and doesn't have impact to the readers. Oda thinks that way. So he applied the kanji "Chousinsei" with the ruby "super rookies". (what we call "written as Chousinsei and read as suuper rookie".)

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Quote Originally Posted by junjun2 View Post
    the ruby "super rookies".
    no, the ruby is Rookie (Ruki).

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Quote Originally Posted by alelucas View Post
    no, the ruby is Rookie (Ruki).
    Caribou and Coribou are written as supernovas with the ruby "super rookie" in the comics volume 61. Well.. as I said, the ruby "rookie" used for Bartlomoe doesn't mean either that he isn't a super rookie or that supernovas isn't same as super rookies.

    Maybe, why it got a bit complicated for Egnlish readers is becuase they had thought that "Chousinsei(=Supernovas)" is something an unique noun only seen in One piece like Yonko or Shichibukai, right?? No, it's not like Yonko or Shichibukai which is both Oda's original term and you never find in a Japanese standard dicotionary. On the other hand, you can find "Chousinsei" in a dictionary, and Oda just used it in One piece as one of the meanings in a dictionary, that is, "super rookie", "new super star" or "outstand rookies" or something like that. So far as you see, only rookies whose bouties are over 100 million are called(written as) "Chousinsei", but I won't be surprised if some rookies who bounties are under 100m are called that in future.

    add: picture of Caribou and Coribou called super rookies. I translated it as a singular form by way of a direct translation, but it actually means both Caribou and Coribou are super rookies.
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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    Quote Originally Posted by junjun2 View Post
    Caribou and Coribou are written as supernovas with the ruby "super rookie" in the comics volume 61.
    You ought to insert the raw with this ruby 'super rookie' (Sūpārūkī?!) regarding Chōshinsei .
    Last edited by alelucas; April 25, 2013 at 04:46 AM.

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    Re: About the term 'Supernova'

    nice thread,man
    Supernova is a term referred to those pirates who have earned a bounty worthy over100 M, despite not being in the new world yet (where it looks like it's the only place where pirates reach that kind of bounty). Maybe they are still called by that title because,notwithstanding someone has been in the NW for 3 years, he is acknowledged for having had such a bounty before entering. the 11 supernovas (or "supernovae",as it should be said) are just a special case because they are the worst generation: so many of them and who have been in the middle of a situation in which the world's balance have fallen. Furthermore, cavendish's bounty hasn't upgraded at all since he entered the NW, whereas the ones rom the worst generation are still making a mess,that's their difference

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