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Thread: Bleach 536 Discussion

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mucky_Pup View Post
    I think the question that comes to mind with me, other than what size those sweater puppies are, is when did Isshin use FGT? There has to be some resolution when it comes to that...right? If I remember correctly, that is what he was getting at, when he explained that Engetsu didnt want to teach it to him, just like Zangetsu didnt want to teach Ichigo.

    Thats been eating at me for a long time.
    Maybe while Ichigo was passed out, Masaki was attacked by the Vandenreich (Juha?) and Isshin successfully used the FGT to chase Juha away.

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Notak View Post
    Maybe while Ichigo was passed out, Masaki was attacked by the Vandenreich (Juha?) and Isshin successfully used the FGT to chase Juha away.
    When Masaki died... Isshin anyways didnt have his Shinigami powers ... Then why the question of FGT in that time period is coming ???

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja_Pirate View Post
    When Masaki died... Isshin anyways didnt have his Shinigami powers ... Then why the question of FGT in that time period is coming ???
    because not everyone is logical.
    I think it is very apparent, that he had used FGT prior to meeting masaki, and perhaps that was one reason he ended up being a captain.

    say isshin used FGT, lost his powers, so what. it is apparent he knows about restoring ones powers and reforging a bankai. - Im suggesting he likely used FGT, lost his power, regained his power, then broke his bankai. how else would he know ichigo got returned form the royal realm for not being able to reforge his bankai without knowing anything about his origins. Isshin OBVIOUSLY knows about reforging the bankai, and the FGT, because he told ichigo about it.

    I dont see a problem here, just some ppl getting the cart before the horse in the timing of events.


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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    A break on discussing the Kurosaki family.....

    So, from the scene where Ryuuken and Katagiri are having a deep conversation, we can now conclude that she is Ishida's mom?
    NO to KUROSAKI ICHIGO USING a BOW!!!

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    So, from the scene where Ryuuken and Katagiri are having a deep conversation, we can now conclude that she is Ishida's mom?
    We could do so from the time she first appeared actually, nothing else made sense from that point on.
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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    About this part:

    Page 11 Ryuuken says "Return at once and tell my mother that Ryuuken is not fit to lead the Quincy.. "

    It would seem that he was a contender for the position Juha Bach is currently holding...
    NO to KUROSAKI ICHIGO USING a BOW!!!

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    I think Ryuuken is probably only referring to Quincy's in THIS realm...on earth. He's probably not referring to the Quincy's wherever Juha Bach is because from what we've read, it doesn't seem like Bach's faction subscribes to the same beliefs as those of the pure-blood or Ishida's people.
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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    I wonder if ichigo somehow having masaki's hollow was what killed her. The chapter made the point that ichigo hollowified when ishin didn't have the power to contain the hollow anymore.The issue here is why exactly was the hollow ishin was linked too within ichigo and not masaki. I wonder if the reason for masaki's death had anything to do with that transference occurring.... The hollow would appear to have been within masaki for the longest time and failed to devour her thanks to ishin. I am thinking that what actually killed masaki is the hollow changing places from within masaki to ichigo. Ichigo runs into grand fisher, masaki attacks GF, her inner hollow is jolted by GF's hollow reiatsu and bursts out of her into the next suitable host, ichigo who not only already had immense power but having a bit of human, shinigami, and quincy (and perhaps a little hollow through fullbring) inside of him was a perfect host to him. White originally exploded when it infected a target so it would make sense it burst out of masaki (not necessarily to the extreme she would be splattered all over the place, just violently coming out from her physical body and soul) in a way. Perhaps the whole thing could have been a trap by aizen for the hollow to specifically escape masaki and transfer to ichigo as he could actually hollowify without the soul suicide thing. Then again ishin did not seem all that angry at aizen so perhaps he was not involved with the event itself. The alternative would be that the hollow never really merging with masaki allowed it to break free from within masaki as she was dying from whatever happened and transferred to ichigo...

    What really was never clear to me is why exactly masaki hollowifying would be so terrible though. Couldn't urahara have done the same as he did with the vizards? Masaki would be at risk of turning into a hollow as ichigo and the vizards were at risk of however all that means is that she would have had to dominate it somehow. Would living as a hybrid quincy/hollow be that terrible? Masaki does not seem to be very powerful or exceptional though, perhaps urahara thought she wouldn't make it?

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    I wonder if ichigo somehow having masaki's hollow was what killed her. The chapter made the point that ichigo hollowified when ishin didn't have the power to contain the hollow anymore.The issue here is why exactly was the hollow ishin was linked too within ichigo and not masaki. I wonder if the reason for masaki's death had anything to do with that transference occurring.... The hollow would appear to have been within masaki for the longest time and failed to devour her thanks to ishin. I am thinking that what actually killed masaki is the hollow changing places from within masaki to ichigo. Ichigo runs into grand fisher, masaki attacks GF, her inner hollow is jolted by GF's hollow reiatsu and bursts out of her into the next suitable host, ichigo who not only already had immense power but having a bit of human, shinigami, and quincy (and perhaps a little hollow through fullbring) inside of him was a perfect host to him. White originally exploded when it infected a target so it would make sense it burst out of masaki (not necessarily to the extreme she would be splattered all over the place, just violently coming out from her physical body and soul) in a way. Perhaps the whole thing could have been a trap by aizen for the hollow to specifically escape masaki and transfer to ichigo as he could actually hollowify without the soul suicide thing. Then again ishin did not seem all that angry at aizen so perhaps he was not involved with the event itself. The alternative would be that the hollow never really merging with masaki allowed it to break free from within masaki as she was dying from whatever happened and transferred to ichigo...

    What really was never clear to me is why exactly masaki hollowifying would be so terrible though. Couldn't urahara have done the same as he did with the vizards? Masaki would be at risk of turning into a hollow as ichigo and the vizards were at risk of however all that means is that she would have had to dominate it somehow. Would living as a hybrid quincy/hollow be that terrible? Masaki does not seem to be very powerful or exceptional though, perhaps urahara thought she wouldn't make it?
    maybe quincies dont have a way to supress the hollow.
    but on another note, i dont think it was the hollow changing places to ichigo waht killed masaki, would be too tragic, and depressed ichigo is no longer interesting at this point, il have to whait and see though.
    heres what i think is the explanation to BB having multiple DF:
    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...t=#post3373390
    here is what orihimes powers are and where shinigami power comes from.
    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...t=#post3446556

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulAuron View Post
    maybe quincies dont have a way to supress the hollow.
    but on another note, i dont think it was the hollow changing places to ichigo waht killed masaki, would be too tragic, and depressed ichigo is no longer interesting at this point, il have to whait and see though.
    Well, but at least the hollow transferring from masaki to ichigo will be an important plot point... Its a fact it happened, we just need to learn how and why. It does not necessarily have to be the thing that killed her but something in the following flashback has to be related to the fact that the hollow somehow ended up within ichigo which has to be either masaki dying because of the hollow leaving her or the hollow leaving her because she was dying... I guess it is plausible the hollow transferred to ichigo when he was born though....

    If the hollow did transfer to ichigo when he was born, then perhaps that can also be related to masaki's death. If that happened it would mean masaki was a pure quincy once again. Perhaps vandenreich would not be too kind to a quincy marrying a shinigami and spawning little monsters.

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    A break on discussing the Kurosaki family.....

    So, from the scene where Ryuuken and Katagiri are having a deep conversation, we can now conclude that she is Ishida's mom?
    I think so- and also, that ishdas quincy pride comes from his mother and not from his father.


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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    Reishi armor means one thing to me. Ishidas don't have Blut, Kurosakis DO have it. If Ishidas had Blut they wouldn't need Reishi armor. I guess Juha is Kurosaki.
    But that random nazi guy had it. Its just an advanced Quincy ability. Why Ishida hasn't shown it? Well perhaps he didn't learn of it yet? There is still the need to explain Ishida's family in relation to the group Juha runs.
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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    I think Souken being missing has something to do with the VR, i think he is in the same realm they reside in and is trying to come up with a peaceful way to end the war with Quincy / Shinigami, i do remember it being stated he tried for years to break the conflict.
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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by devstauk View Post
    I think Souken being missing has something to do with the VR, i think he is in the same realm they reside in and is trying to come up with a peaceful way to end the war with Quincy / Shinigami, i do remember it being stated he tried for years to break the conflict.
    I hope, Kubo does some backstory about Souken and the other Quincy. I bet, Souken was powerful at one time.

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    Re: Bleach 536 Discussion / 537 Predictions

    Quilge Opie outright states that Souken rejected Vandenreich and its new techniques. Of course they are connected in some fashion.

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