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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
Maybe the Vandenreich attempted to kidnap Ichigo to convert him, they recently tried it so unless they didn't know about him when he was a child, why not?
For all we know GF could have been manipulated to appear at that certain spot anyway.
they didin't now about masaki becouse ishida family juha bach is quite similar like voldemord but wizard from h.p find solucion to hide h.p and other.
Convert ichigo to quincy or Vandenreich high unlikly they more will be experiment to make self yourself more like ichigo to be stronger
They have similar complex like aizen and to brake tabu of pure blood to get stronger and use holov power.
Could someome explain to how exactly isshi's reitasu was keeping at bay Ichigo's hollow ? I don't mean how they connect(since we don't know yet), what I mean is that it was said a very short while ago that ONLY opposite power's can cancel each other out and it was said that opposite of hollow is HUMAN not shinigami, which SHOULD mean that ONLY human can keep at bay hollow not shinigami, and since Ichigo was already human there was NO reason for isshi to keep at bay hollow, actually his shinigami power has NOTHING to do with hollow power since it CAN'T keep at bay ichigo's hollow(since they aren't opposties), he should have regain his shinigami power after Masaki died and not after Ichigo's hollow got stronger, with makes no sense.
I would be VERY grateful if some could answear me question
ps. sorry for bad english
The same way it worked for Masaki. Ichigo isn't the son of a human and shinigami, but of a quincy and gigaied shinigami (however that works...)
I suppose we can assume that when the Hollow passed to Ichigo it was still under the effects of Isshin's human spirit keeping it in check, though I'm not sure how that works. I'm also wondering if the Hollow transferred to Ichigo at his birth or Masaki's death. Either way, perhaps the 'thread' that was binding Isshin's soul to Masaki's stayed connected to the Hollow even when it was no longer in her, if you see what I mean.
I don't know, though. The rest of Ichigo's powers are apparently independent of the Soul Bond, otherwise Isshin's returned Shinigami powers would have negated Ichigo's Quincy ones, which are only manifesting now. I guess since the Hollow soul was originally an independent being, it's slightly different.
Ichigo had no powers as a kid other than being high spec.
Rukias powers gave him his first taste of power, and at that time there was no hollow.
His hollow powers didnt show up until after uraharas training.
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both his shinigami and hollow were dormant.
It was not until the shattered shaft that both woke up, and not until a little while later that the hollow became active, trying to take control.
also, The only reference so far to reishi string was between isshin and masaki. ichigo as far as I can tell never had one.
Ichigos new weapon
What you call fact may be likely, but there are alternative satisfying explanations.
Such as the original explanation, that Ichigo is simply a human with shinigami powers, resulting in him having a hollow side. Ichigo never had his soul sealed in the Soul Burial, like all other souls do before they enter SS.
All we saw is how Masaki beeing infected with a hollow having some few similar traits to HIchigo, we still don't know how this affected Ichigo.
For all we know it may just change him, he might not actually inherit the hollow itself.
So for good discussions sake, lets not call it fact yet, when there are two equally competing theoiries that can work logically. However they both have loose ends, none of them are completley explained yet, therefore not completely logical to prefer one of them over the other.
I suppose it's human nature to want an answer and to settle with what we got, but for now I think we need to be patient, we don't know what happened, just yet.
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It'd make sense to capure Masaki's soul, and forcibly bring her to Vandenreich, since apparently (theory), the Quincies living there are souls, a sort of opposite to Soul Society.
Urahara explained that Quincy and Shinigami in nature are opposites, the concept and idealism to create an organisation being opposite to Soul Society could be very realistic, imo.
- This would explain why Bach is so old.
- It might explain why they can't leave Vandenreich for an extented period of time, perhaps to keep thier souls stable when linked to Vandenreich? (Never got a Soul Burial).
- Likely these dead/soul Quincy can't have children, so the pure Bloodlines are still really important.
- Souken did die in Soul Society on Mayuri's table, he likely never arrived to Vandenreich as a soul.
Ryuuken stepping down as a potential/heritage as a leader of the Quincy could likely include Vandenreich.
I think this would explain something else entirely, why Bach never attacked Soul Society when it was weak after Aizen annihilating them all.
Vandenreich seems to have been under Soouken's leadership, and he wanted peace, coorporation, and balance.
If Bach came to power, then he would first have to change all this, for one he needed to create the medallion to steal bankais, he needed Quincies prepared to fight captains, he needed information on SS, he needed possibly many other things.
Bach taking leadership of the Quincy also matches Uryu's and Ichigo's age.
Ichigo lost his mother at seemingly exact same age as Ishida lost his grandfather, Souuken.
So, did Bach when he came to power kill Masaki and brought her Quincy soul to Vandenreich?
We're probably going down the same road again...
- Ichigo looses Rukia to Soul Society, he rescues her.
- Ichigo looses Orihime to HM, he rescues her.
- Ichigo looses his Mother to Vandenreich, he rescues her.
So what happened to the hollow inside Masaki?
Either Bach knew a way to handle it, or it indeed was transfered to Ichigo at birth.
It seems quite possible to me, this would explain a lot of things and loose ends.
Also not taking Ichigo could be because he wasn't of age yet, like other Quincies living in the human world, they grow up and make families before they seemingly die and go to Vandenreich.
So it seems rational, to leave Ichigo until he's more grown up.
Above that, given what we saw it doesn't even make sense ichigo would be part hollow from his mom's side. As far as we saw the purpose of ishin being tied to masaki was to prevent her hollowification, that she would remain human. Masaki never actually hollowified, the soul merger and eventual soul suicide was prevented by urahara and ishin. Another issue would be that if ichigo had inherited a hollow side from masaki then so would have ichigo's sisters. And if they did they would have probably needed reishi strings to contain the hollows as we saw with ishin and ichigo. Then again the only one tied to a reishi string was ichigo and his inner hollow which has the implication that neither karin or yuzu have such a problem to begin with otherwise ishin would not have regained his shinigami powers.
At this point the explanation that the hollow was transferred is far more consistent with the story and its plot points. Ichigo being half hollow because of his mom does not actually make sense because masaki never turned into a proper hybrid.
Aizen is on-par with uruhara in terms of intelligence..so he wld hav realised wht kisuke did with ishin and masaki...no doubt he tried another experiment...
another thing to consider..at that point..aizen is still looking for hyugoku.. maybe he thght it resides within masaki...
i myself think that he is the ancestor of the kurosaki clan and so everyone in it is technicaly his children, like a grandfather calls his grandchildren sons and daughters.
In case you guys are wondering how Ichigo gained that hollow's abilities and looks:
That explains it, we just have confirmation that Ichigo's mom was attacked before he was born, and even more than that she nearly turned hollow herself. So in that regard Ichigo's hollow based powers were much stronger. So now we have the reason he has shinigami, quincy, hollow, and fullbringer powers. Kubo is knitting things up nicely. Just the question of Juhabach's place in all of this.