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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Interesting fight, but Gaikage wins this. Too fast, too powerful. Asakujaku and Hirudora are too much.
Because lets be honest... the Gai I know would never consider something preposterous as walking around that thing.
You do understand that his sand could protect his entire village from a HUGE and i mean HUGE explosion(Deidara)? Gai is not going to do shit to it.
Againg this is NOT a fight.
Oh and about the Kisame thing... That happened as Kisame's jutsus was completly irrelevant. That jutsu works by eating the enemy's jutsu and getting power from that. Considering Gai's "jutsu" was not chakra based that jutsu did crap, ship nothing.
Gaara can fly, Gai can't. Its that simple. 1 can't hit the other. Just chill in the air hight above as he creates his sand sea and stops Gai like nothing.Quote:
I'm serious, and what you said doesn't prove me wrong. Gai can still move fast out of qiucksand's way, which needs to be made of sand for Gaara to control.
Am I the only one who remembers that all ninja who can control chakra in their feet can jump high? Sasuke jumped to avoid Haku's attack, and if he can do it then anyone who fulfills the required conditions can. He doesn't need to jump high enough in one go, he can get support like Gaara's random sand or his turtle to boost him.
Or, Gai can do his Morning Peacock. It has enough power to take out Gaara and his sand defense.
Gai can't see chakra bud... The sand would be activated under his legs and once his legs are trapped and he starts sinking he is not running anywere... He just CAN'T...Quote:
Heh even to dodge anything he would need to keep his gated mode active and he is going to drop from gate usage as Gaara is laughting his but off in the air... Not only that i don't see him dodging a bloody sea of sand...
Show me anybody jump hight enough to get to someone who can fly and fly up as hell. Then show me someone jumping a HUGE distance with enough precision to hit someone as fast as Gaara in the air. Go right ahead and present the panels.
Oh it is? Heh the even better move was tanked by Kisame with his BLOODY FACE...Quote:
Oh and sand power:
City buster attack... Blocked:
Now show me feats from Gai that would put him above a city buster. If you don't have feats to put his moves above a city buster he is NOT getting trough Gaara's sand avalanche. He would just get hit and killed under the sand as he CAN'T do a bone dance out.
Last edited by xXan; April 29, 2013 at 01:55 AM.
Why would he need to see chakra? If the sand moves, he can react to it and get out of the way. I doubt Gai would need Gates to dodge or even get the sand out of the way - he was able to push it out of the way when Gaara tried to kill Lee.
The only one I remember right now is Sasuke against Haku. And I think Gai did jump high enough against a clone of Kisame with 30% of his chakra. I don't feel like finding the pages only to read you say "irrelevant" or something.
It was? When?
He can make a large enough hole in the sand with Morning Peacock or something to stay safe. He could also run away after opening the Gates.
Hell, Gaara needs that much sand first in order to do something like that. His village is in a desert, where there's tons of sand.
Like I said: with Gai's speed Gaara's flight never gets the chance to become an advantage. Basically, it'll be similar to what Sasuke did to Deidara when they first met. The only difference is that since Gaara doesn't have to make handseals, he'll take to the sky earlier than Deidara did, but won't get high enough before Gai leaps above him and smashes him into the ground. Gaara attempts to fly again only to be bouced around like a Ping-Pong ball in play. In the off-chance that he finally gets high enough to where he's not getting the crap kicked out of him (and this is assuming his head hasn't been kicked off yet), Gai just goes G8s and leaps into the air to eitherOriginally Posted by xXan
-jump off a turtle shell to reach Gaara
-kick off of Gaara's own sand structures launched at him to reach him
-uses Asakujaku to fire thousands of flaming punches at him while in range (pummeling through Gaara's sand potentially, since the kick is normally an instant kill, the punches are likely more powerful than that http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Morning_Peacock )
-uses Hirudora to definitely obliterate Gaara's sand defense and crush Gaara to death
So if you step in quicksand and you start sinking you are going to run away? He has nothing to notice. He will notice when he starts sinking. At that point he can't run.Quote:
You have to understand that Kimimaro (multiple times) and even the Kages got grabed by that sand from unther their feet(not with quicksand move but still grabed by sand)... Hell even old RAIKAGE got grabed... So yeah he is not running away.
Oh and i can't belive you are comparing the stupid sand Gai hit away to the same sand that was able to drag down Kimimaro in CS or defend an entire village from a city buster.
If you can provide panels where Gai can jump hight enough to reach Gaara that is going to be way up hight in the sky and then provide evidence that he can jump fast enough for Gaara to not dodge it like nothing considering Gaara had a air battle with Deidara then it will not be irrelevant but i asure you there is no scan of that.Quote:
Just jumping up is irrelevant. Of course there is no scan with Gai jumping hight enough... The only time he whent hight enough is when Bee pushing up and then he used a turtle to jump even higher.
Not sure what you are refering to. If its the "kisame blocking with his face" you know full well when. Kisame was not even incapacitated as he could still move and Gai had to hit him AGAIN... Now a mountain of sand that can take city busters... Yeah...Quote:
So em a CITY BUSTER can't but those move can? Please show me when those moves busted and entire city. Its like stating a nuke can't blow up a wall but a bullet can.Quote:
True that and that is why i said Gaara is up in the sky chilling as he builds the sand he needs.Quote:
First off Gai does not start in Gated mode. He needs to first open them and Gai never owned anybody with speed alone. He is NOT Raikage. Even Kisame had time to use jutsus and what not. I asure you Gaara has time to fly up.
You also need to take into account that Gai can't manuver into the air. If you think Gai can jump and hit someone as fast as Gaara i am going to disagree with that. Jumping is a linear movement... Easy to dodge.
Even asuming i would agree to 8 gates here considering we don't know what it does... You just killed Gai and at best you get a draw.Quote:
Only for Gaara to move left or right...Quote:
Because Gaara is a moron and is going to allow him to do that.Quote:
Gaara puts up a sand shield in front. Gaara's sand (lots of it of course) could stop a city buster (from Deidara). No way in hell those things are going to get trough it before Gaara can fly out of range.Quote:
The same move Kisame blocked with his face and was still able to move after? Trough Gaara's sand? Yeah right. The jutsu(yeah i know its not a real jutsu) is also not fast enough.Quote:
Seriously i never noticed this jutsu to do insane damage... Did you? Yes he shoot it at Madara and it moved Susano but we have no idea if it damaged it or how much, even Tsunade moved his Susano with a punch. Now considering Kisame blocked with his face (after going trough his own jutsu true but aparently it was not influced by that) i don't see how in the bloody hell Madara's Susano could be damaged... There is no way in hell Kisame's face >>>>> Madara's Susano.
Last edited by xXan; April 30, 2013 at 01:15 AM.
I'm just going to put it out there that this whole Gai is going to jump in the air and bring down Gaara thing is ridiculous. Gaara can ascend far beyond what Gai is capable of jumping. If Gai jumps, Gaara moves, Gai can't change direction in the middle of the air on command. And the idea that Gaara is just going to make a roadway in the sky that leads straight to him for Gai is a bit silly. He puts a wall of sand up in the middle of the air. If Gai attempts to break it, he is going to lose his momentum and be headed back down to earth. And Gaara has already moved and is back on the attack while he's falling to the earth. He can't avoid Gaara's attacks while he's falling. If Gaara takes to the sky, the battle is over. Gai lacks the ability to bring Gaara down, and he isn't capable of outlasting him. And the reality is that Gaara has shown sufficient enough feats with his sand to allow him to secure aerial superiority without much problem.
Muu managed to avoid the sand, but that's probably because of his sensing abilities. And even the Raikage got caught, so maybe you have a point there.
Still possible, especially with the Gates. And "city buster" sand isn't gonna work here because even if Gaara does make that much sand and puts it up in the air, he's gonna use up too much chakra. If he misses, then he's in trouble.
the height that Gaara was against Deidara? Yeah, don't think that's possible even for Gai, as far as we know.Quote:
That doesn't count though because Gai didn't jump that high by himself, otherwise I'd have used that. The whole point of jumping up is to give him better position to attack (possible if Gaara doesn't go that high up) or to dodge the sand. He can even summon his turtle to help control his "flight" better.
No I don't... I don't remember that at all.Quote:
Yeah? Kisame's tough and durable though. Considering the hype behind Morning Tiger, Kisame could have been the only one who either survived through that or was still able to move through that.
yeah, still doesn't negate what I said. IF that even happens.
Gaara's "quicksand" does not need water.Quote:
Well yeah he will noticed once he starts to "sink" but once that happends he is not running out.Quote:
Why would Gaara put his sand in the air? Just use the avalanche "jutsu". Gai can't posibly dodge that.Quote:
I don't care how he jumps, i don't care what he summons. There is no way some jumps from Gai are going to HIT someone as fast as Gaara on his sand. Oh and if he jumps that far up (asuming he can) to dodge an avalanche that size. I mean vs ET Kages the think was just about bloking "the sky". It was HUGE. But let's say he can, once his "up" momentum is done he can't move himself in the air and he is a completly and easy target to take down. Gaara would just move the sand right under him and w8 for him to fall on it.Quote:
So em Kisame can protect himself with his face but Gaara can't with sand that can block city busters? Hell even asuming its before Gaara can pull more sand and i still don't see that move going trough his sand shield.Quote:
No idea how durable is Kisame but he is NO Superman. If he can block with his body and move after that Gaara using his sand as a shield right in front of himself + his own skin shield should have no problem taking this... I mean come on...
Now the thing about the range Gaara would be at (up in the sky) he would just move out of the way. The jutsu is not that big. Gaara even has shunshin but i don't see how he can use that in the sky. How the hell is that projectile type attack going to hit Gaara?
Last edited by xXan; April 30, 2013 at 08:35 AM.
It's very possible he could use the Afternoon Tiger to bring Gaara crashing back to earth in a heap of blood. Or, he activate the Gates and reach Gaara, or summon his Toad to help if he misses. He really only needs one well placed punch or kick to kill Gaara, or at the very least, make him get hurt and fall to the Earth.
Only problem here is that Gai running away = forfeiting the fight. Instant loss.Quote:
This is no diferent then making a topic with Tobi vs Madara, Hashirama, Naruto and anybody else you whant (aside for Kakashi) and stating that its a draw because Tobi warps away.
Gai running away is a self BFR. He would lose.
Really? So em something that Kisame just about blocked with his face and was not KO'ed or bloody is going to get trough Gaara's sand shield up in front, trough his poersonal skin shield and bring him down in a heap of blood? Then how the bloody hell would Gai even hit him? Gaara can move left or right you know...Quote:
So em now Gates also give him the ability to fly to reach Gaara? So now Gai jumping on his summon would mach Gaara's manoeuvrability in the air? Like really?
A well placed punch... Care to show me Gai doing what you just said with a single punch? Gai claimed that his ultimate move is a 1 hit kill and aparently its not even a KO move... Who the hell has Gai put down in 1 single hit? Also he can't dodge Gaara's sand in the air. He would need to punch trough it... Never going to happen...
Anyway Raikage doing his super move and powered TO THE MAX could not kick trough Gaara's sand:
Also note the speed of the sand. This was Raikage droping fast as hell (obviously). Raikage was this close to Sasuke:
What is that? Not even 10 cm's from Sasuke's Amaterasu spikes(bottom panel)? Then BAM Sand in the way:
I am sorry but Gai get's stomped.
And I keep hearing mention of Afternoon Tiger bring Gaara back down without mention of how he's going to make contact. How does he reach Gaara? Even if he can jump the distance, Gaara has free movement in the air and the ability to put massive amounts of sand in between them; his sand defence has blocked stronger attacks. Gai jumps, Gaara moves himself out of the way or his sand in the way. These aren't particularly complicated manoeuvres. And the reality is Gaara is going to outlast Gai, particularly if Gai is jumping around using his gates. Gaara wins this with relative ease.
Kisame is the guy who had his entire chest ripped out and laughed about it before getting healed by Samehada, he's fucking beast who is a lot tougher and more durable than Gaara.
And really, you are comparing the Raikage's foot to Gai's strongest attack? The Afternoon Tiger has shown more destructive power than any attack of the Raikage's. His Liger Bomb didn't even hurt Sasuke when he used his ribbed version of Sussano, and yet Gai's Afternoon Tiger (which wasn't as powerful as the one he used against Kisame, just look at the size difference) looked like it killed Madara.
Saying all that, I don't think Gai is going to really be able to bounce and get up and kill Gaara in the air, but if he hits him with the Afternoon Tiger, he can get up there and follow up with an attack while Gaara is falling and probably severely hurt before he can recover.