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    How strong is Sasuke?

    I was just curious where you guys place Sasuke power wise with no Sharingan. Since there was a thread where they took the Narutos main power and based his power level I thought it would be neat to apply it to Sauke!


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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    With his tactical skills, analytic proves, speed and versatile arsenal of techniques I'd put him at elite jounin level. Somewhere in the same tier as Shinobi like Zabuza, Pre-Oro Absorbtion Kabuto and some of the weaker (but by no means weak) Akatsuki members like Deidara and Hidan.
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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    With his tactical skills, analytic proves, speed and versatile arsenal of techniques I'd put him at elite jounin level. Somewhere in the same tier as Shinobi like Zabuza, Pre-Oro Absorbtion Kabuto and some of the weaker (but by no means weak) Akatsuki members like Deidara and Hidan.
    Okay, no. I understand this is your point of view, but this is a little bit too much. Kakashi who is superior to Sasuke in everything (if both of them are without the Sharingan of course) would actually be below all of those guys without his Sharingan.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfNight View Post
    Kakashi who is superior to Sasuke in everything (if both of them are without the Sharingan of course)...
    Is he?

    Sasuke has larger and more powerful chakra. He has a lot more chidori variants, most of which (like Chidori Spear or Chidori Nagashi) don't have the shortcomings of the regular "charge at your opponent" Raikiri.

    Kakashi was obviously superior to Sasuke during part 1, but a lot of time did pass since then. Didn't early Shippuuden Sasuke make short work of Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Yamato without the use of his Sharingan? I can't check right now so I'm not sure. But if it actually happened like that then I doubt Kakashi would be able to accomplish the same.
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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    A base Sasuke on an Akatsuki level shinobi? Why doesn't that surprise me? In my pov that shit is ridiculous.

    A base Sasuke would be a basic Jounin with all the necessary abilities to actually become a Jounin. Sasuke fans probably base his school Genius in this scheme so they automatically perceive him as ultra strong in base level. That can't be true as the present standards for true powers are sky-high. For example, I think that Rock Lee or Kakashi would wipe the floor with base Sasuke.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

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    A base Sasuke on an Akatsuki level shinobi? Why doesn't that surprise me? In my pov that shit is ridiculous.

    A base Sasuke would be a basic Jounin with all the necessary abilities to actually become a Jounin. Sasuke fans probably base his school Genius in this scheme so they automatically perceive him as ultra strong in base level. That can't be true as the present standards for true powers are sky-high. For example, I think that Rock Lee or Kakashi would wipe the floor with base Sasuke.
    Is that base level kakashi, as in without the Sharingan and all the jutsu he has learned from it? Like taking away raikiri which he can not use without risking being killed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanadan View Post
    Is that base level kakashi, as in without the Sharingan and all the jutsu he has learned from it? Like taking away raikiri which he can not use without risking being killed?
    It's a tough one but I'd say base considering his reputation. Kakashi is probably one of the strongest Jounins in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    It's a tough one but I'd say base considering his reputation. Kakashi is probably one of the strongest Jounins in the world.
    I am not saying that Kakashi when he first because jounin was weak in any way, he was quite the formidable shinobi back then but I believe Sasuke after the time skip without the Sharingan would be stronger. To exclude the sharingan from Sasuke to messure strenght it would only be fair to exclude it's benifits for Kakashi as well and that would require the removal of a lot of his arsenal, even his signature move.

    Rock Lee is a different story, he is a speed freak but Sasuke has a bunch of tricks up his sleeve too and I think he takes Rock Lee too, even without that sharingan of his.
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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    Is he?

    Sasuke has larger and more powerful chakra. He has a lot more chidori variants, most of which (like Chidori Spear or Chidori Nagashi) don't have the shortcomings of the regular "charge at your opponent" Raikiri.

    Kakashi was obviously superior to Sasuke during part 1, but a lot of time did pass since then. Didn't early Shippuuden Sasuke make short work of Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Yamato without the use of his Sharingan? I can't check right now so I'm not sure. But if it actually happened like that then I doubt Kakashi would be able to accomplish the same.
    Yes, he is. He is better at Taijutsu than Lee, smarter than part 1 Shikamaru, has better instincts than part 1 Kiba and an unseen 1000 Jutsu.

    Sasuke was using Sharingan at that moment. He used it just as soon as Sai and Naruto double-teamed him.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanadan View Post
    I am not saying that Kakashi when he first because jounin was weak in any way, he was quite the formidable shinobi back then but I believe Sasuke after the time skip without the Sharingan would be stronger. To exclude the sharingan from Sasuke to messure strenght it would only be fair to exclude it's benifits for Kakashi as well and that would require the removal of a lot of his arsenal, even his signature move.

    Rock Lee is a different story, he is a speed freak but Sasuke has a bunch of tricks up his sleeve too and I think he takes Rock Lee too, even without that sharingan of his.
    We can only speculate but base Kakashi has 1000s of techniques up his sleeve. It's tough to measure the outcome, for sure, but I'm giving Kakashi credit.

    I'd say that Rock Lee can take him on. His speed is something that Sasuke would barely able to follow without Sharingan. And then you have him opening the gates. So yeah, he'd be toast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    We can only speculate but base Kakashi has 1000s of techniques up his sleeve. It's tough to measure the outcome, for sure, but I'm giving Kakashi credit.

    I'd say that Rock Lee can take him on. His speed is something that Sasuke would barely able to follow without Sharingan. And then you have him opening the gates. So yeah, he'd be toast.
    It is said those came from him being the copy wheel kakashi that he became after achieving the sharingan. The problem is that we don't know how many of those are thanks to the Sharingan and thus not his base. Suito, Suriudan No Jitsu is an example he got from Zabusa, no sharingan, no Suiton. How many more are there? Id bet that a lot of those 1000 (or which ever the number may be) are from copying and that is not base level Kakashi.

    Sasuke also has astonishing speed, hes so fast without his Sharingan that no one noticed his move to stand behind Naruto. It's not only Sasuke that needs to keep up, it is also Rock Lee and he has no special perceptive powers to boot so I would still give it to Sasuke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanadan View Post
    It is said those came from him being the copy wheel kakashi that he became after achieving the sharingan. The problem is that we don't know how many of those are thanks to the Sharingan and thus not his base. Suito, Suriudan No Jitsu is an example he got from Zabusa, no sharingan, no Suiton. How many more are there? Id bet that a lot of those 1000 (or which ever the number may be) are from copying and that is not base level Kakashi.

    Sasuke also has astonishing speed, hes so fast without his Sharingan that no one noticed his move to stand behind Naruto. It's not only Sasuke that needs to keep up, it is also Rock Lee and he has no special perceptive powers to boot so I would still give it to Sasuke.
    Well, if he can use those techniques without his Sharingan (and I'm thinking he can), it's still a base status.

    Sasuke is also fast, no doubt, but Rock Lee is a speed specialist. While Sasuke grew faster, we don't exactly know how much Lee's speed progressed. If we assume that he got faster, Sasuke's in a pinch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfNight View Post
    Yes, he is. He is better at Taijutsu than Lee, smarter than part 1 Shikamaru, has better instincts than part 1 Kiba and an unseen 1000 Jutsu.
    I would be careful taking Naruto's words too literal. Its a well known fact he loves getting a bit too excited.
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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    Well, if he can use those techniques without his Sharingan (and I'm thinking he can), it's still a base status.

    Sasuke is also fast, no doubt, but Rock Lee is a speed specialist. While Sasuke grew faster, we don't exactly know how much Lee's speed progressed. If we assume that he got faster, Sasuke's in a pinch.
    It would not be base but I guess our opinions differ here (which is ok), and Ill state why I think that is not base status:
    Remove the Sharingan, how would Kakashi be able to train and master 1000 jutsus, many of which he had only seen in battle. No one would sit there to teach him all these various techniques, he would need a sharingan that is active in battle to pull this feat of.
    this is all assuming that he did learn a lot of them in the battle field or training while using the Sharingan.

    And Lee is a speed and strenght freak, he uses both very well but even with that Sasuke has several types of chidori and lightning in itself is a movement inhibitor, get electricity in your body and your muscles no longer function in the same way. It is a very useful skill to have against the likes of those who rely on close range physical combat.
    Sasuke has one of the best types of jutsus to efficiently combat Lee, speed or not.
    Meh

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    I would be careful taking Naruto's words too literal. Its a well known fact he loves getting a bit too excited.
    Well, yeah sure. It does seem quite hard to believe that he's smarter than Shika-man or has better instincts than a dog dude. But those words hints at Kakashi's mastery over all forms of combat.

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