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To be honest though, Sasuke would fare better than Naruto in almost any fight. This does not mean Naruto would lose, just that he wouldn't do as well as Sasuke. Even against mini-Ichibi, Sasuke would fare much better because he has the speed and as result higher chances of avoiding the sand coffin. Sasuke would fare better against Kakuzu because he's more versatile as well, although he'd need multiple attempts while Naruto just needs one successful FRS. As far as we know, Sasuke is more like Kakashi, pretty versatile even if Sharingan affords them the extra versatility like ability to cast genjutsu.
You can't deny that Sasuke is the most versatile among his age group in Konoha. Long range, mid range, short range, taijutsu, and ninjutsu... if he picks up extra skills, he'd probably be extremely dangerous without Sharingan. I'd consider Jiraiya and Kakashi to be more versatile than Sasuke, to be honest, considering the other things they can do as ninjas.
Hachibi states he lost several limbs (though not necessarily tentacles.) Can you show me Bee or Hachibi having any burn marks ?
Yes, they didn't hide. They came with their heads in the sky, and left with one of them turned to plastic, the other became half the man he was (literally), the girl was almost burned alive, and their leader had three times as many holes in his body that he ever had.
There is hardly anything you said that can be considered manga facts. Of course, neither is what I said.
And Ee didn't have knowledge of Amaterasu, he only knew something was up due to MS and prepared for it. Amaterasu is instantaneous, it's been that way from the beginning, and again, Kirabi makes it clear he came up with the idea on the fly. His conversation with the Hachibi shows he was fighting serious, the Hachibi berates him for it. As mentioned, he was not as down as you're trying to make it. Not only did he help in his own defense, but Kirabi states it wasn't fatal. And I'm wondering if you read the chapter, because Juugo outright mentions how Sasuke hadn't heal from his fight with Itachi and Sasuke acknowledges it.
A full transformation is going all out, why do you think it's what the Hachibi wanted to do against Kisame before being outvoted? If the Second Version was useful, then surely Kirabi would have used it again by now, like in a fight to save the world, right? Ee literally had to prepare his fastest shunshin and wait for it to be shot to dodge Amaterasu, Kirabi wouldn't have had any chance, especially with his fighting style. And what's with this "complete beginner" remark? Bloodline techniques are instinctual, as repeatedly shown. He doesn't need to have used it before to expertly use it, just like he showed with Enton and Susanoo. Making such an assumption is foolish. The fact that you ignore that Sasuke had more limitations put on him then Kirabi says quite a bit. Whereas it was made clear Kirabi was going all out, we know for a fact that Sasuke was holding back. And it's not even as if allowing Sasuke to survive requires him to be allowed to win, the summit showed that. Regardless, the fact remains that Kirabi was fighting to win until he was forced to run away. That was not his goal, but something he came up with on the fly as admitted by himself. That's not a victory.
Doesn't matter how they left the fight, that only shows it was tough, which was admitted.
Amaterasu doesn't hit instantly, it's summoned instantaneously but it works like a projectile too, apparently. Otherwise Raikage would not have been able to dodge it, nor would it have flown to the samurai behind the Raikage. It being summoned quickly and lack of knowledge is probably what adds to its speed.
I don't think it's just summoned. All the examples we've seen have it moving outward with momentum and force, so I think it's reasonable to assume it's shot from the eye and covers a distance in a blink.
Not sure if it's shot from the eyes as it can appear a bit far away from the eyes as well. Plus, that'd be dangerous with the flames and all, yanno?
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You're once again misunderstanding me. When I said that there were no signs of Sasuke's injuries I meant that there weren't really any signs of his injuries during the battle. He was able to use all of his techniques without exception and he was arguably as fast as he can be. That conversation seemed to have been put in there for the sole purpose of saving face due to Sasuke's complete defeat. If Amaterasu is instantaneous, then how could the Raikage have escaped from it AFTER it was already moving towards him? The link I posted earlier clearly shows Amaterasu almost touching the Raikage in one panel, and then him disappearing in the next. Had it been instantaneous, then he wouldn't have dodged it. Amaterasu is thus not instantaneous.
And once again, it doesn't matter if Sasuke being impaled by six swords or not was not fatal. At that point, he was unable to continue the fight. He struggled badly to merely raise his head and bite Karin's arm. If I were to shoot you in your knees, the wounds by themselves wouldn't be fatal. You still wouldn't be able to get back up and continue the fight. My question also remains. Many of you claimed that Sasuke was holding his own until he was caught by surprise. Please provide me with anything substantial that shows Sasuke holding his own against Bee?
Obviously, Bee hasn't used Version 2 since his fight against Kisame because he hasn't needed to. As I said, the full Ox-form provides far more firepower via the Tailed Beast Bomb, but Version 2 is far more suited to fight fast opponents like Sasuke. You are merely assuming that Bee thought of the plan after his tentacle was cut. But there's also the possibilithy that him getting "defeated" by Sasuke was part of his plan. Regardless, how can you claim that Bee got his ass kicked by Sasuke given that Sasuke stood no chance whatsoever and was both immobilized and then killed. But hey, Bee escaped the village and thus Sasuke must have won, right?
Bee escape the fight, then the village so yea Team Taka won not Sasuke.
Amaterasu does work as a projectile in a way. It may not work like a gun, but it still moves in whatever direction the user wants it to.
Wouldn't Sasuke have died from the sword stabs? He had to be healed to even get back into the fight, and his wound/s looked pretty serious.
It doesn't matter what you believe. Manga's page is clear as day.
Has the manga ever, even once, aligned Bee's speed with Raikage's? He himself states that he thought of the plan 'on the fly'. Again, it's not my statement, but the manga's. What the fight culminated into is the actual factor here. Cling to your opinions if you feel like it.
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Well, the conundrum is whether to believe you (who at that point had nothing to measure healthy Sasuke's speed against an injured Sasuke inorder to tell a difference), or Juugo, who has first hand knowledge of Sasuke's speed prior to injury, and thus would know whether he was doing worse or not.Originally Posted by Azuma
Character with first hand knowledge... or you. Hm...
Well, that's just semantics. NOTHING in the manga is instantaneous. Not even Kirin, Kuchiyose, or Hiraishin. Things claimed to be instantaneous are actually just really really fast. Hell, basic Shunshin is stated to be instantaneous, and yet Hiraishin is supposed to be an enhanced version of Shunshin. You can't become any more instantaneous than instant.Quote: