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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azuma View Post
    No need to exaggerate. I haven't distorted anything. I missed some minor details (without the end-result being altered) and you happened to misunderstand me at some points.

    I even stated in my last post that at the point that Killer Bee was caught by Amaterasu there wasn't anything he could do. But you can't simply take that out of context and deem Sasuke to be the winenr as some of you seem to do when Sasuke was defeated twice earlier by Killer Bee. The help Sasuke received in that fight, quite honestly, was far greater than the help Naruto received against Pain.
    You missed some major details. Where exactly?

    Sasuke was not defeated twice, as the swords' wounds you keep speaking of were not fatal. The help Sasuke received was largely minor compared to Bee drawing on Eight tails chakra, its cloak advantages, and accelerated healing. Naruto had all the intel against pein and still he lost. I am unsure how that is even comparable.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    The fight wasn't over wen Sasuke went down a couple of times. The fight was over when be substituted in the eight tail tentacle,and waited for Taka to leave. Bee was peaking his head barley out the water to make sure Taka was gone... That's when the fight was over... He DID NOT want to continue.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azuma
    The help Sasuke received in that fight, quite honestly, was far greater than the help Naruto received against Pain.
    Sasuke walked into that fight:

    Still wounded from fighting Itachi
    With fodder on his team
    With no information on him outside of the fact that he's a jinchuuriki
    With a newly manifested and premature MS
    And with the intention of avoiding killing Bee

    Naruto went into the fight against Pein with:

    Knowledge of the majority of his powers
    While Pein was holding back to not kill him
    While he had already fought multiple ninja up until this point
    While the strongest Realm was on down-time after destroying Konoha
    With multiple toads already summoned with him (not by him. Big difference.)
    And with the living Reset Button, Kurama, waiting on standby to bail him out of his loss (see: surviving Chibaku Tensei)
    He also started the fight with killing intent, only choosing not to kill him in the end.

    Naruto was set up to win that fight. He had far more help than Sasuke had against Bee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfNight
    You said that we never hear any Sasuke fan say "When Sasuke beat Killer Bee", but then you proceeded to make Bee look like the one who lost anyway.
    He sure as hell didn't win.

    Anytime someone else uses their power against you, and that power forces you to flee the battle, you LOSE.

    Bee conveniently saw this loss however, as a chance to flee from his responsibilities. He didn't start the fight wanting to find a scapegoat for skipping out on his duties. The idea came to him on a whim. And that whim came to him while Sasuke was removing his foot from the deepest corner of Bee's ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuma
    In what world are you living in when being impaled by six swords is not a fatal wound? Just look here: http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/5 He can't even get up.

    The extent to which you fanboys distort things is quite entertaining.
    Bee states that Sasuke ran Raiton through his body to force the blades to miss his vital points. We're not distorting anything. You're just omitting the parts you're not willing to accept.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Didn't Hachibi ask why Bee was playing around when he could have finished the fight? I know Bee did say Sasuke was strong, but the way Hachibi made it sound, he'd have lost to Bee if he was serious.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Why the hell was my post deleted???

    Hachibi said that bee was winning the fight before he transformed of he wasn't needed. Bee turns around and say Sasuke was one of the strongest ninja he ever fought:

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    But it still shows that Bee could have won if he wanted to once he started using Hachibi's chakra to make himself look like the miniature Hachibi. I'm actually curious as to whether Bee know about Amaterasu though. Maybe he could have planned his escape from the point he saw Mangekyo tomoe?

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    I don't know. Large or small he still has no answer for Amaterasu. With that being said, the fight is what it is. Sasuke did a shitty job, but in the end bee fled.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Didn't Hachibi ask why Bee was playing around when he could have finished the fight? I know Bee did say Sasuke was strong, but the way Hachibi made it sound, he'd have lost to Bee if he was serious.
    The Hachibi asked why Kirabi brought him out when he had the upperhand, to which Kirabi replies that he go carried away. So it's not so much that Kirabi wasn't serious, but that he made an error when he was already winning.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J
    Didn't Hachibi ask why Bee was playing around when he could have finished the fight? I know Bee did say Sasuke was strong, but the way Hachibi made it sound, he'd have lost to Bee if he was serious.
    Oh, he certainly would've won if he hadn't transformed. But he transformed because he was having fun toying with Sasuke... and it came back to bite him in the ass. He did NOT allow himself to get shat on. That was out of his control. It just happened because he got cocky. After he got flash-fried he threw his hand of cards on the table and said plainly "I fold". While hiding he got the bright idea that he could use this chance to get out of Kumogakure without being tracked.

    Don't get me wrong: he had Sasuke and Taka soundly beat... until he didn't.

    Though you're arguing another one of those slippery slope arguments. If you're gonna say "Bee would've won if he was serious", then I could simply say "Sasuke would've won if he knew how the hell his powers worked. And wasn't still injured. Or holding back."
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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Your not being reasonable. When bee was struck by black flames HE WAS LOSING/getting his ass kicked. The substitution only became a part of his ESCAPE plan after the tentacle was cut off. If Sasuke didn't save Karin but couldn't escape.

    Being staying around to continue to fight after escaping once,it's only logical that he would've capture if he continue to fight.... He had NO ANSWER for Amaterasu.
    He was losing but he didn't have a scratch ? The moment he was struck by Amaterasu, he went for substitution Jutsu. That's like saying Kakashi was losing when Sasuke's Shuriken hit him in the bell test.

    It's not "only logical" at all. It's completely delusional. He already answered Amaterasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    He sure as hell didn't win.

    Anytime someone else uses their power against you, and that power forces you to flee the battle, you LOSE.

    Bee conveniently saw this loss however, as a chance to flee from his responsibilities. He didn't start the fight wanting to find a scapegoat for skipping out on his duties. The idea came to him on a whim. And that whim came to him while Sasuke was removing his foot from the deepest corner of Bee's ass.
    He may not have won, but he didn't necessarily lose. I could only think of Bee's position like this :

    Some prideful kid came to your place to kill you.

    You beat his ass and made sure to show him whose laying down the law.

    Then you went on a vacation without finishing the fight. Why ? Because you satisfied your urge to beat him and left him as a failure.

    When you've been winning 98% of the fight with little effort, then you got hit by a surprising attack and managed to survive it. You sure as hell didn't lose.

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    And that whim came to him while Sasuke was removing his foot from the deepest corner of Bee's ass.
    Right...nice.
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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    That's just wrong, the substitution was impossible until Sasuke cut the tentacle saving Karin.

    Not a scratch, he was burned from Amaterasu.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    That's just wrong, the substitution was impossible until Sasuke cut the tentacle saving Karin.

    Not a scratch, he was burned from Amaterasu.
    How do you know ? It's not like that was the only tentacle that was cut.

    No burn marks. No signs of getting his ass kicked. Unlike our friend and his group.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/12

    Yeah. Amaterasu is instantaneous. Oh wait? No it isn't. As long as one can run faster than Sasuke can turn his head, one will never get hit by Amaterasu. Fact.

    Also, it is a safe assumption that if the Raikage has knowledge of the Amaterasu then Bee should also have that. You accuse me of distorting facts when you claim that the Amaterasu is instantaneous and that Killer Bee fled from the fight when it was clearly stated that Killer Bee wanted to use that opportunity to escape from the village.

    Please show me one moment where Bee was taking the fight seriously and Sasuke managed to keep up. And again, even though the sword wounds weren't fatal by themselves, they left Sasuke unable to even get back up and fight. He had clearly lost by then already. He was only saved by Suigetsu. Saying that Sasuke was still injured by his fight against Itachi holds little to no water. There were no signs of that.

    There is no way around the fact that Bee defeated Sasuke twice without even going all-out. Number Eight Version 2 or whatever he calls it would have been far better suited against Taka and I doubt Sasuke would've managed to hit Bee with an Amaterasu if he had used Version 2. Sasuke was a complete beginner with Amaterasu at that point. The thing that saved Sasuke's ass in that fight was that it was completely plot-driven and Kishimoto could not have had Bee annihilate Sasuke. Bee didn't go all-out in that fight and still came out victorious. Going into that clumsy Ox-form makes his attacks more powerful, but he is far too clumsy to fight someone like Sasuke like that.
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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    The fight wasn't over wen Sasuke went down a couple of times.
    Huh? What do you think sasuke would do when he was stabbed by bee? HE cant stand, didn't he? Just admit it already. Sasuke and his fodder bodyguards can't do shit to bee. If he was freaking serious, your sasuke is already dead in just a minute or two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    The fight was over when be substituted in the eight tail tentacle,and waited for Taka to leave.
    No. the fight was over when bee punch jugo and he fell asleep. AS in just one punch. While sasuke was stabbed like a butterfly and fell down in the ground while making his sound of agony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Bee was peaking his head barley out the water to make sure Taka was gone... That's when the fight was over... He DID NOT want to continue.
    Wow, you got some awesome interpretation in that fight.

    So, from your POV, bee waited for taka to leave before going to his master rapper? What the hell is that? you sound that bee was freaking scared to your sasuke in a sense that he don't want to be seen and waited for an hour before going out to that lake.

    but anyway, i'm just wondering, why the hell that even though bee/hachibi was being hit by amaterasu, they never considered it as a threat nor they scared like a shit like what you're trying to say? HAve you seen a manga scan that shows bee and hachibi was scared to death with sasuke's amaterasu? Did they even talked about those black flames? No, no and no. But still, it's your interpretation. So goodluck with that.

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    Re: How strong is Sasuke?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfNight View Post
    How do you know ? It's not like that was the only tentacle that was cut.

    No burn marks. No signs of getting his ass kicked. Unlike our friend and his group.
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/415/5 That was the onlt tentacle that was cut, the others were burn oof by Amaterasu. So te hottest flames in the world don'tleave burn marks? Yea right.
    No signs of getting his ass kicked? http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/415/3 yea rigt.

    Our friend and his group left the village without hiding.
    Everything i've said is all manga facts,and ifyou can't except that then theres nohing more to say.

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