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Google translate mangles it, but it's still pretty clearly someone inquiring into Mashima's involvement in the anime original arc (the Japanese don't call it filler, especially official sources, they call it anime original content), and Mashima answering. Here is Mashima's google translate mangled response:
"I want you to this. Or, out six demons. Or to convey, but the story is left to the field staff. Thanks to a great job."
As mangled as it is, you should be able to tell that while the details were left up to the anime staff, the broad story of it comes from Mashima.
For that matter even "manga only" readers that just follow the series from week to week and don't by the volume releases will be ignorant of things that Mashima puts in the end of volume Q&A sections and extras. Which contains information like Oracion Seis being former slaves from the Tower of Paradise, character cards for background characters including Kinana's character card indicating she was Cobra's snake, etc. That does not make that information non-canon. So those "weekly manga only" readers are left in the dark as to who the Kinana that Wakaba's profile mentions is, and who this addition chick that suddenly started showing up with all the other tertiary characters is. Information from the anime is the same way.
That scenario does not make sense at all. What the manga has mentioned or implied about the zentopia event is at large perfectly coherent with what the anime shows. Death of stellar spirit mages, kinana, cobra.... the scenario you describe is one where there are two distinctly different events that were named the same with different circumstances but the end results seen in the manga can be exactly the same.... Its does not make sense. Right now there are two possibilities, that the zentopia incident seen in the anime and the zentopia arc mentioned in the manga are the same or that they are different events (with perfectly matching end results). It is far more reasonable that both events are the same, the manga as it is now actually has to give indication that the events are not the same rather than the other way around for us to reasonably think they are indeed not the same. Is there any reasonable evidence (from the manga or otherwise) for us to think that the events are not one and the same?
The Zentopia incident happened in the manga. Hiro Mashima basically says it did through Yukino in the manga. And the Zentopia incident was caused by Oracion Seis, which includes Cobra. Non-canon is material irrelevant to the source material that never happened in the source material's world. This is canon. It's Mashima's story....if he says it's canon, it is...and he did.
Last edited by exacta; May 07, 2013 at 05:14 PM.
But hey, I'm apparently doing a lot of things you're hating, eh?
By all means, quote me one word at a time. As far as I know, that's not against the rules. I personally find it to be a pain to follow long conversations that consist of everyone breaking up quotes over and over, so I was explaining why I not breaking up your quote while responding. If you feel like I manipulated your quote by posting it as is, then I'll respond without quoting.
Mashima referred to a Zentopia incident that had something to do with a decline in celestial wizards. He acknowledge within the story that such an event occurred. And directed people to the anime when asked about it. The anime showed it.
And here's how Bablyon translated the tweet, by the way.
"I hope in this way. 6, a victim of it out. I have a story, but leaves it up to the field staff. Thanks to the excellent work."
In that translation, it looks a lot more like it's his story, which he left to be told by the anime. And he's asked the anime to add things he didn't have time for in the past, such as Erigor coming back in the Nirvana arc.
And one of the responses to the tweet translated as:
"Is that so! Six magic so came out after a long time, now I look forward to very much. I am looking forward to Comics! Has Mashima teacher support"
(The other responses weren't that relevant, but you can check those out to if you don't believe me.) Point is that someone who wasn't reading his tweet through a mangled online translation read that as the arc having his blessings.
Side note: I'm not going to keep arguing the filler terminology with you. Just go put in a definition search yourself and look at how general media uses it. It doesn't mean the exact same thing as it does when an anime fan says it.
It seems there's no swaying you.
But just out of curiousity, if Mashima were to throw out more references to events that occurred in the Starry Skies arc, like having Cobra and Kinana claim they've met since she turned back into a human, or having members of the Zentopia church cameo pop in, would that change your opinion, or would you still feel that it the whole thing needed to be shown for it to count?
I think it's canon, especially when mashima had his hands in the filler arc plus what yukino said and even cobra has the design when the "filler arc" ended...
I'm also curious about what serpenttailedangel asked...
(Sidequestion: did you read/watch Dragonball? if so, is the episode of bardock canon to you or not? toriyama wrote it but it never accured in the actual manga)
Original manga, and - so far I'm able to take a look at them - databooks and official interviews are the real deal.
Though it's off-topic, I'll reply quickly: