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Thread: Mikoto was a Senju!

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    Re: Mikoto was a Senju!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    The manga also has Koharu saying they wanted their power back. Again, there's nothing stating that the Uchiha clan didn't have any or only had the police force.
    The thing is, the manga never implied nor gave us a hint that the uchiha clan had a hidden political power that the only one who knew are the elders and the hokage. Honestly, you're just making an speculation. Nothing more.

    So until the manga say so, then your statement is just baseless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    You really don't seem to understand what political power is. It's not something granted, it's something gained, usually by possessing enough power. Hashirama wanting them all to be like a big family didn't prevent some clans from being evaluated into nobility. And Madara wasn't "too weak" to resist. He fought Hashirama and Tobirama for an entire day before falling, and in their final fight it literally came down to the wire between him and Hashirama. Now perhaps Hashirama could do such a thing, but the Senju clan as a whole wasn't any stronger.
    I think it goes both ways. The lord of the fire country will grant anyone with political power if he likes him. So it;s something can be granted and gained.

    Political power: An authority held by a group within a society that allows for the administration of public resources and implement policies for society.
    = is a type of power held by a group in a society which allows administration of some or all of public.

    Now, enlighten me of what kind of political power the uchiha has? Police force? definitely. They're the one who implement policies for the safety of their society right? Ofcourse. That's what the manga has been shown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    The very fact that Tobirama tried to placate them with the police force shows the potential threat they posed. Why would he worry about them rising up if they could easily have been dealt with? And the series has Koharu stating political power. I said it before, and I'll say it again, we've never been given an actual explanation of the political system of Konoha. We only have bits and pieces, that we have only gotten over time, never all at once. You point has no evidence behind it, and the police force wasn't under the power of the Hokage.
    Tobirama already gave his opinion right? He's just wary to the clan who pose a threat to the village. And the only clan who pose a threat to the konoha are the uchihas. So it's not something about political power. But rather as a threat.
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    Re: Mikoto was a Senju!

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    The thing is, the manga never implied nor gave us a hint that the uchiha clan had a hidden political power that the only one who knew are the elders and the hokage. Honestly, you're just making an speculation. Nothing more.

    So until the manga say so, then your statement is just baseless.
    The series also made no implications otherwise and how exactly is it speculation when we're told they were attempting to take back political power? Koharu's statement is the series saying so, with nothing to suggest otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    I think it goes both ways. The lord of the fire country will grant anyone with political power if he likes him. So it;s something can be granted and gained.

    Political power: An authority held by a group within a society that allows for the administration of public resources and implement policies for society.
    = is a type of power held by a group in a society which allows administration of some or all of public.

    Now, enlighten me of what kind of political power the uchiha has? Police force? definitely. They're the one who implement policies for the safety of their society right? Ofcourse. That's what the manga has been shown.
    No it doesn't. Again, political power isn't granted. Look at real world groups like the Tea Party or NRA. They weren't "voted" in or granted power, but gained power due to having such a strong following. It's literally the same situation that Danzo had, who possessed plenty of power without a definitive role. It's really not that complicated.

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Tobirama already gave his opinion right? He's just wary to the clan who pose a threat to the village. And the only clan who pose a threat to the konoha are the uchihas. So it's not something about political power. But rather as a threat.
    And Tobirama feared them so much that he tried to placate them with the police force. That shows the power they possessed, as a bunch of weaklings wouldn't have been anything to fear. But Tobirama had to try to keep them placate in fear of another Madara rising and bring ruin to the village. There was clearly a threat of power from them.

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