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^Very true, not to mention his control over the Kyuubi. We all know Tobi was an awesome badass with his mask and was a master manipulator. He managed to persuade someone as monster strong as Kisame. Heck manga agrees of his command over Nagato. Both Itachi and Nagato were fooled of thinking he's the real Madara. An awesome villain at that, then Kishi turned him into something people blew suck. But even then the 'take away game' shouldn't be put in this corner. Because even with that we can still put arguments how Nagato or Itachi would win against him. Take it away and there's no argument at all, except for biases and shitting. That's what this character got from majority of the fandom.
Simply havin them would not be enough, other than surviving attacks when emotionally distressed. Nagato still had to train to use his power as well as he did. I don't know about Tobi after Rin's death though.Quote:
Obito would be dead as well if Gai wanted to kill Obito. I was about to ask what Nagato you were talking about, but no point since Nagato that trained with Jiraiya was as good as he was because of Rinnegan. <_< But taijutsu isn't related to Rinnegan, is it?
What genjutsu prowess? Performing genjutsu on two stationary shinobi? Izanagi (that seemingly any Uchiha can do?)? Being able to control the Kyuubi, possibly thanks to Hashirama's DNA? Itachi's genjutsu prowess, Tsukuyomi or his other arsenal of genjutsu, is just too great that it makes me wonder if Tobi can fight back. I don't know about Nagato.Quote:
Jinchuuriki don't automatically get defense against genjutsu just because of their bijuu, otherwise Naruto wouldn't have needed Sakura and Chiyo to break out of a clone of Itachi with 30% his chakra's genjutsu. Nor would Kabuto's genjutsu have put him to sleep like it did many of the chuunin exam audience. If it did, then Itachi would stand absolutely no chance against Tobi with Juubi sealed inside him.
In fact, I don't think anything affords automatic or good defense against genjutsu other than full cooperation between bijuu and jinchuuriki, probably.
Simply having them is what allowed him to survive in the first place. The blackout Kills. And just like I said in our other discussion involving him, regardless of his training with Jiraiya he used none of that outside of flashbacks. Training for the path abilities, like I said before, is assumptions and benefit of the doubt at most. Where is this massive feat of Taijutsu that you keep mentioning for Nagato?Quote:
Gai is a shinobi of the leaf. At the time, so was Obito. Honestly I don't think anything more has to be said than that. Nagato's situation is far different.
Yagura being a perfect Host was controlled by him for years. Your argument was that he'd get caught like Deidara or Orochimaru. How would it be so easy if that's what we're going by? Nagato has been shown to be susceptible to genjutsu, auditory it may be, he's still been shown to be susceptible to it.Quote:
I did not say that hosts get automatic defense. Yagura was a perfect host, perfect implies that he had collaboration with the Sanbi. which means that the three tails would have the capability to get him out of Genjutsu. so I am fully aware of everything you Claim, but that's not what I said.Quote:
Last edited by KiSwordsman; August 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM.