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    Cool Awkward question...

    If paper is some kind of processed wood/plant and Konan can manipulate paper, then does that make her a Mokuton user?


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    Re: Awkward question...

    To be honest I think she just created a secret technique a la the Nara, Akimichi, Yamanka and Aburame clans.

    Hashirama gives the very essence of life to his wood techniques, whereas Konan doesn't to her paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oathencrantz View Post
    To be honest I think she just created a secret technique a la the Nara, Akimichi, Yamanka and Aburame clans.

    Hashirama gives the very essence of life to his wood techniques, whereas Konan doesn't to her paper.
    Yeah, but she creates the damn thing which is basically made from the same substance as wood. Secret techniques don't create elements, only nature transformation does.

    Perhaps we saw the Mokuton the wrong way, perhaps it was not a purely Senju ability, Konan creates what amounts to dead plants whereas Hashirama creates living ones because of his holy chakra.

    It could be that Hashirama's mother had the same descendency like Konan, the ability to create an element out of water and earth which isn't alive yet thanks to Hashirama's Senju Yang Chakra the dead element became alive and gave birth to the wood release.

    It would explain why nobody in the Senju clan awoke the power besides him, it's not a Senju inherent ability, it is a mixed blood ability conceived through paper release (dead plant) and Senju life giving chakra.
    Last edited by 1337 haxor; May 20, 2013 at 05:59 PM.

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    Re: Awkward question...

    First of i dont think anyone said that the "paper" she is using is made from "plants". So first gather some evidence thats shows what her "paper" is made of.

    ---------- Post added at 05:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:53 PM ----------

    also idk if she "creates" this "paper" herself(using chakara)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaykam View Post
    First of i dont think anyone said that the "paper" she is using is made from "plants". So first gather some evidence thats shows what her "paper" is made of.

    ---------- Post added at 05:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:53 PM ----------

    also idk if she "creates" this "paper" herself(using chakara)...
    What else paper is made of? Isn't real life enough evidence that paper is made of plant tissue?

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    Re: Awkward question...

    imo she just just infuses sheets of paper with her own chakara....
    she formed a huge tree made from sheets of paper...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaykam View Post
    imo she just just infuses sheets of paper with her own chakara....
    she formed a huge tree made from sheets of paper...
    But she turns her own body into paper and produces said sheets from her own chakra, we never saw her storing paper anywhere to use her techniques.

    In my opinion she has paper release which is a variation of dead plant matter of nature transformation.

    Hashirama inherited this ability from his mother but his Senju chakra gave life to the plant cells and thus created the Mokuton we know.

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    Re: Awkward question...

    if she could "release" paper then why not get rid of the paper that got oil on it from jiraya and just "release" more?

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    Re: Awkward question...

    No, simply because it was never stated to be one. Manipulating something made out of wood doesn't make it mokuton. Gaara controls sand, and it is not Doton. Nara and Aburame clans developed jutsus to control shadows and bugs and there is no kage-ton or bug-ton. Point is, plenty of jutsus can control specific objects but it doesn't use elemenental nature manipulation.

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    Re: Awkward question...

    its said that when she was young she was very good at infusing chakara to paper meaning she had paper and then put chakara on it and she got so good at it that she would later do crazy things...

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    Re: Awkward question...

    Quote Originally Posted by 1337 haxor View Post
    Yeah, but she creates the damn thing which is basically made from the same substance as wood. Secret techniques don't create elements, only nature transformation does.

    Perhaps we saw the Mokuton the wrong way, perhaps it was not a purely Senju ability, Konan creates what amounts to dead plants whereas Hashirama creates living ones because of his holy chakra.

    It could be that Hashirama's mother had the same descendency like Konan, the ability to create an element out of water and earth which isn't alive yet thanks to Hashirama's Senju Yang Chakra the dead element became alive and gave birth to the wood release.

    It would explain why nobody in the Senju clan awoke the power besides him, it's not a Senju inherent ability, it is a mixed blood ability conceived through paper release (dead plant) and Senju life giving chakra.
    Hashirama creates life, Konan doesn't. She's not a Mokuton user. What she does is more akin to what the aforementioned clans do, most likely using Yin and Yang chakra manipulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oathencrantz View Post
    Hashirama creates life, Konan doesn't. She's not a Mokuton user. What she does is more akin to what the aforementioned clans do, most likely using Yin and Yang chakra manipulation.
    This only makes things even more complicated to explain, in my opinion Kishimoto kind of went with things for the koolz and didn't elaborate on it further.

    Nevertheless, I think Konan can produce paper or Amegakure must have the biggest celuloid industry in the entire ninja world.

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    Re: Awkward question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oathencrantz
    Hashirama creates life, Konan doesn't. She's not a Mokuton user. What she does is more akin to what the aforementioned clans do, most likely using Yin and Yang chakra manipulation.
    I was just about to say Inton (yin release) was responsible. I put anything that doesn't make sense under Inton because it requires spiritual energy and it just turns one's imagination into reality. It doesn't create life from nothing, but it does create form from nothing. And paper isn't a form of life. It's dead trees after all.

    For the record, I consider Baika no Jutsu Yang release, because enhancing one's body should be considered manipulation of life. IMO.

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    Re: Awkward question...

    Mokuton isn't a choice as it needs the combination of Water and Earth. It's Hashirama's special KKG so different from papers which Konan produces with her own chakra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naruto the best View Post
    Mokuton isn't a choice as it needs the combination of Water and Earth. It's Hashirama's special KKG so different from papers which Konan produces with her own chakra.
    But paper and wood are two different forms of the same thing, the difference is that paper is dead and wood is alive.

    To me the only big distinction is that Hashirama's life giving miraculous chakra/cells makes living threes out of the same element Konan uses.

    One crazy thing are those 600 billion paper tags, it's clear she had to make all that paper with her chakra not to mention she split a lake in two to activate it hence she can have at least Suiton in her chakra nature.

    The only other guy in the series which is know to create ludicrous out of scale things out of an unique element in Hashirama Senju so I can't help but relate those two even without any deep connection.

    Also, ninjabot nice add you have here, all those bizarre ninja techniques can easily fall into Inton and Yangton release.

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