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Naruto really is not the most versatile Ninja out there, nowhere near close that.
I had thought we were past this whole taking away ones power nonsense. Why not just strip everyone of Chakra and see what happens...
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I sure as hell can.
If Doc Connors researches Lizards and uses that research to modify his own body and thus turns into a humanoid lizard its legitimately his accomplishment and power. There is no second lizard he has to ask for power. The spliced DNA has no brain, no will of its own, it becomes a real part of his own body.
Kyuubi however is a living entity that could say "No! I'm not handing you power anymore!" any freakin time he feels like it. Then Naruto would have to fight him again to reap it out of him by force.
Even then I'd maybe consider it part of his own power if he at least claimed and sealed the Kyuubi by himself. But the way it is, you can't consider it Naruto's own power. Its a seperate source of power at his disposal, but not his own power.
Even the manga considers the Bijuu as "partners" and the Bijuu are saying stuff like "I'll grant you some of my chakra". If you don't acknowledge them as team mates, I can just as well start some equivalent nonesense like "Bee is part of Raikage's power" or "All people of Konoha are part of Tsunade's power because she's Hokage".
Besides, Kabuto didn't just "steal" someones powers (I know it wasn't you who used that word), since stolen would mean he took something away from someone else, which isn't the case since all of those people are running around with their powers still intact.
And he also didn't simply "incooperate" those powers (except for the sound four) but instead created different versions, like for example not going completely liquid, but instead leaving his skin behind, or making Karins ability to heal others passively work on himself.
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Last edited by flow like; May 22, 2013 at 11:45 PM.
And that's why I would also consider, what you brought up, that Tsunade's power includes also the whole village. She is the one in charge, so it's her power, since she got this position, because of her achievements and reputation and her strength. It's not like someone random is being Hokage. You have to earn it, to get this position and power.
So all in all I would consider the Kyuubi's power a part of Naruto's power, as much as every beast is part of a Jinchuruki's power AS LONG AS they can control and use it.
I would agree with you if it's like Gaara and his beast in the beginning of this series, where the beast protected him without his own doing. Gaara didn't have to do sh**.
^Thats a reasonable reply. I get and acknowledge your point, although I still stick to my own point of view. Not that it really matters since this is just a question of philosophy and how you look at it.
I don't even want to downplay Naruto or anything. As far as I'm concerned this whole "Naruto without Kyuubi" discussion is pretty silly and irrelevant. He has him so he uses him, thats all there is to it.
Just like Kisame had Samehada... he had that sword so of course he developed and centered his fighting style around it. If he never had it he would have developed differently and its imposible to tell how he would have turned out. But technically (and thats all I'm talking about) its not their own power, but just power at their disposal.
If I get my hands on a nuke, then I have access to a power that can level a country, but its not my own power, its the bomb that does it. My own power would be only what I can achieve through training and my own mind/body. Not a special tool or a team mate.
The crucial difference is that my actual own power can't be taken away from me, unlike a power source. A Jinchuuriki can lose his Bijuu and Kisame can lose Samehada, but Rock Lee can't lose his martial arts skills unless you cripple his body or outright kill him.
True to that.
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opponents used tnj on naruto before defeat... juugo/orochimaru/karin cells not belong to kabuto
Last edited by flow like; May 23, 2013 at 07:35 AM.