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Translations: Bleach 600 by BadKarma
Minato - Time of war. Representative of HIS COUNTRY fighting another country
Kakashi - Killing people who were a threat to the security of HIS VILLAGE
Tobirama - Genuine concern given the tensions between the Senju and the Uchiha. As a matter of fact, the sharingan has been stated to evolve depending on emotion, so it is a valid point. Yes, he should have attempted to resolve that instead of driving the wedge furthur, but his actions were to help HIS VILLAGE.
Now coming to Sasuke. He invaded a peace summit after being branded A CRIMINAL by the Cloud Village. The Samurai were DEFENDING the people they were supposed to protect, including one whom Sasuke killed(Danzo), so I doubt they were doing anything stupid. If Sasuke did want to kill Danzo, he should have done so AFTER THE SUMMIT not when they were all meeting. Sadly, Zetsu backstabed him.
but if we are talking about WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO SOCIETY
minato was AT WAR (an acceptable time to kill people) and defending his VILLAGE (an acceptable reason to kill people)
sasuke was ON A VENDETTA (acceptable to him but not society) and at A SUMMIT (not an acceptable time to kill someone, this falls in the assassination category)
its not complicated bro
the question is , could sasuke be forgiven by the village?
in my opinion yes, he could be forgiven especially if he helps defeat madara and thus SAVE THE WORLD
but could he be forgiven to the point to be accepted as hokage????
i do not believe so
Sasuke has pulled some overlapping shots that if examined closely and technically he deserves some punishment.
But surely he'll be forgiven.
We have to consider the support presence of Naruto, Kakashi and the Kages. So no doubt he'll be forgiven.
As the Hokage???
Guys Kishi can actually make it happen.
But if he becomes the Hokage and Naruto is just a side-shinobi supporting him that's a big room for disappointment!!!
If Sasuke becomes the Hokage (as Kishi can make it happen) then Naruto must be somewhat like a "Sage" who neutralizes the world and lead all the Kages. This way Naruto the main protagonist gets the spotlight he deserves. He is 'The Child of Prophecy' after all, someone who will search and establish true peace as prophesized.
They'll be mature soon enough to do what they are supposed to do!
the samurai did nothing stupid, they only did as they were supposed to. But what I'm saying is that Sasuke killed them out of defense. And according to Karin, Sasuke did plan on killing Danzou after the summit, not before or during. He was just betrayed by Zetsu while trying to do reconnaissance.
Sasuke will likely be forgiven to the point that he'll be accepted as hokage. if Gaara was forgiven, and Tobirama trusted by Uchiha, then why not Sasuke? Especially when the Alliance are doing badly. Only way I can see him messing up is if he kills a good guy.
The big difference between Minato and Sasuke is that the latter is a rogue ninja who is typically marked for punishment.
Tsunade did pardon Sasuke for Naruto's sake but technically he deserves some punishment. We can never deny this for him as a missing-nin plus what he did to the Summit surely contributes that his mark was being capitalized on an international scale. Even he did plan to kill Danzo after the summit it won't change the fact that he committed some violent blows there. He might have been influenced but still he is accountable for what he did. Yeah in the most technical sense he deserves some form of punishment. But as the manga goes I doubt he'll be punished. Surely for me he'll be forgiven and take some active roles in the village.
The Hokage matter as for now is pretty debatable considering Naruto's context and all the situation angles.
He does need to be punished, at the very least for what he might have done to Konoha and for his actions. But, what he did at the Summit was all in self-defense.
No one's giving Sasuke a pass on anything. I don't think anyone's ever claimed that he was anything other than an asshole. The difference between us and you, is we know where the assholery comes from: He's an Uchiha. He has no control over it. You don't argue morals and logic to someone who has no control over their emotions. In other words, you wouldn't call a bipolar person an asshole. You'd call them bipolar. You wouldn't call a manic-depressive person a crybaby. You'd call them manic-depressive.Originally Posted by Xrayz0r
Out of the entire wall of text you posted not a single claim you made took into consideration the Curse of Hatred. And I think you did it deliberately to try to make it look like Sasuke is an asshole because he wants to be, or because he's a genuine bad person. All the murder and hatred and psychotic behavior he's displayed is because he wants to avenge those he loves, aswell as protect those that his brother loves.
Does that sound like an asshole to you? And before anyone claims Itachi or Shisui are better because they didn't fall to the same Curse, remember that Itachi still murdered an entire damn clan to protect those he loved.
dude, i am in HUGE favor of sasuke knocking Danzou off
danzou was an evil shady deceptive piece of shit
but just because use anime viewers/manga readers know that
it doest mean the society in the manga know that or believe that
to them, sasuke is basically a terrorist
once again, i agree with him killing danzou, i would have done it too
but him trying to kidnap bee, in a time of non-war in another village/land
and everything else, is probably too much for him to be forgiven to the point to being accepted as hokage
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Society is biased. I'm not saying Sasuke was excused for invading the Summit or killing Danzou, he's not, but he didn't fight at the Summit. He fought back, which is what people do when attacked.
Am I the only one who thinks Curse of Hatred is bullpoop?
It just so happen that Sasuke, though in his self-defense act, has his actions fall on the bad side. Who would say it's good to attack the summit? or is it okay to attack the summit? I think no one would support that!
Killing Danzo would mean justice for him...
But killing those people like the samurais who have nothing to do with your goals whatsoever isn't supposed to be branded as 'yeah normal shinobis kill each other so Sasuke's actions should be considered no problem'. Imagine if we were close relatives of those samurais and we found out that Uchiha Sasuke killed them?. Just imagine the reaction!..It's not that easy. . While it's so easy to find other's mistakes in order to justify our reason and treat those mistakes as an excuse of someone's bad actions, it's not actually easy to forgive immediately. . Things must be on process.
Again Sasuke deserves punishment with his actions, but I doubt considering the plot that he'll get it!
You're not going to condone pedophilia, are you? Still, pedo's can't help it because their genetic makeup and upbringing resulted in what they are and what they do. Uchiha's curse of hatred won't help you here. Especially when Itachi went through all the Sharingan evolutions (supposedly releasing curse of hatred) without turning evil.
Yep. It's all but confirmed now. Sorry.Originally Posted by M3J