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Translations: Bleach 600 by BadKarma
But he still killed the Samurai even though Suigetsu told him not to. Also, Anime translation is much more accurate
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So Sasuke should have let the samurai kill him? All Sasuke did was defend himself, considering the samurai were going to attack him. I don't see why Sasuke should let the kage or samurai beat him up, nor should I see why the kage should let him pass and give him freedom to kill Danzou. We all agree Danzou is a major douche that needs to die, right? I dunno if you agree with this or not, but I still think Sasuke was in the wrong and should be punished for killing Danzou, who was the hokage at the time.
The only difference between him going after Bee and Kumo going after Kushina and Hinata, then demanding Hinata's father's body, is that Sasuke was working for Akatsuki, a known criminal organization.
Anime takes liberties.
Sasuke never meant to attack any Kage other than Danzou, he had absolutey no reason to. Let's not make up facts here, he fought them because they were in his way. You can call that self defense if you want, but he never had any intention of fighting 5 Kages at once.
Sasuke may be brash and at the time highly unstable but he's not an idiot. He knows his limitations, he mentioned this in the aftermath of fighting Orochimaru. He isn't stupid enough to challenge 5 of the strongest ninja's in existence.
Why not retreat ? Did you know how many options he had at that time ?
1- Retreat and have another approach.
2- Listen to Suigetsu and NOT kill them, since the Samurai weren't able to detect them until he jumped in and slaughtered them.
3- Have Jugo take care of them since he offered to do so while the rest search for Danzo.
4- Wait until Danzo ISN'T surrounded by freaking Kages.
He went in there, in a place filled with Kages, as a missing Nin, attempting to kill the Hokage, while looking down on the other Kages and threatening to kill them if they don't get the fuck out of his way. And when he had so many chances to rethink the plan, he goes for the kill. He could've avoided the Samurai, but he killed them. He could've avoided the Raikage but was actually the one to attack him first. When the Raikage proved overwhelming, he said "lol fck dis" and ran for the hills leaving his comrades behind. He then instead of doing something smart, went where the rest of the Kages are and threatened to kill them.
Anime uses the same dialogues (excluding fillers), and Anime translators are far more accurate than the Manga translators (who are the one actually taking liberties).
Also, this also is my answer to shahdan.
Last edited by KingOfNight; July 24, 2013 at 05:11 PM.
how is it desperate? Can you even prove for sure that Jay's dead? it's still speculation based solely on the nin saying "we're too late," which can mean too late in backing up Jay, leading to his loss. Didn't she say they were dead? There's a difference between saying "we were too late!" and "he's dead, dammit!"
He could have retreated, but they'd have all come after him anyway. He'd still be fighting. Not sure if they already knew Sasuke was there or if he really did jump out. Or remember if Juugo did offer to stay and take care of the samurai.
Wait for what? Sasuke had to know who was Danzou and what he looked like, otherwise the ambush would have failed if he went after the wrong person.
How could he have avoided the Raikage, who was intent on killing Sasuke? Raikage would have chased after Sasuke either way, Sasuke couldn't escape. Sasuke didn't leave because he found the Raikage overwhelming, he left because it was a waste of his time and he found an opening. And he threatened tok ill the kage who got in his way.
Then use the MangaHelpers' translators, they're known to be very accurate.
They knew he was in there but they couldn't detect them. One of them thought he had escaped until he jumped in and was like "I'm very angry now." Jugo did offer that, but Sasuke was already in his way killing the first Samurai.
Sasuke knew how Danzo looked like not too long before the summit. When he was with Zetsu staring at Danzo from some dark place. He simply could've went back and waited for better odds.
Jugo told him not to rush things and to wait a little bit, but no, he went straight for the Raikage. If he didn't find him overwhelming and if it was simply a waste of time, he wouldn't have invaded the summit in the first place. Unless of course, he took a few lessons on how to engage an enemy from Naruto, thus, lowering his intelligence.
Last edited by KingOfNight; July 25, 2013 at 12:37 PM.
More reasonable conclusion of the majority of the class? That doesn't make any sense, your own original argument sets the limit at 50% and then was wittled to less than that. Psychological disorders aren't necessarily emotional instability, and being attracted to the wrong guy doesn't come close. I disagree with your classification of Lee and Neji as emotionally unstable. You pointed to the rookies, but your initial statement was about shinobi in general, and we've seen that many shinobi are stable and functioning.Quote:
I'm still saying it was a surprise attack. I just pointed as I had at the beginning of the argument that Konoha was already on a heightened state of alert because of Oro's presence. And what of the other ninjas handling themselves that we hadn't seen before. Your argument that Suna's forces are superior to Konoha's is unsubstantiated and counter to what we've been shown.Quote:
You say its an error, I say its support from the manga. So Oro put them in when exactly? If it isn't complex, why have you been unable to show that that is the case.Quote:
Yes, they were parts of separate arguments. However, they contradict one another, rather blatantly.Quote:
He had just joined Gato, that was stated where, if you'd be so kind? And maybe he continued to be a mercenary because that was the only option available to him, being a missing-nin and everything. From what we've mercenary is the most common career path for missing-nin.Quote:
He could still be referring to Oonoki and Danzo. What's your point? Shikamaru stated it because it was the case. Is your argument that Shikamaru just made it up?Quote:
No, Kabuto was Sasori's agent. However, that was in the past. At the time of the invasion, Kabuto wasn't acting under Sasori's orders, he was Oro's loyal servant. Ok, so then your examples of kidnapping being wrong are simply incidents of dislike of allowing loved ones to be taken when it can be stopped. The word 'murder' carries the meaning of unlawful killing. So if you use the word murder, you've already accepted the act's illegality. That was my point.Quote:
No one else seemed to think so.Quote:
Does he say that? I'm waiting, if Sasuke's rap sheet is limited to things specifically stated as criminal acts on his part, I don't see why the Kages shouldn't be held to that standard. Your argument was essentially, his membership in Akatsuki wasn't a crime because he left it, so that's pretty much what you're arguing. His criminal act doesn't count because he chose to stop. I'd say he used them, he was provided with intel, supported, and rescued by Akatsuki, and he did their bidding. And I'm not sure about the point of your last argument, it almost seems as support for Oonoki. Sasuke used a terrorist group, while Oonoki used a mercenary group before they were recognised as terrorists. One seems worse than the other.Quote:
I think there absolutely no question about the majority of Konohas genins not having a psychological disorder, and one would have to lie to oneself to think otherwise. Are we gone retarded now and ignoring all those side characters from the first chapters, those that were not highlighted by a special Team leader, those that aren't represented by the Konoha 11. The burden of prove is on you RK.
Oros attack on Konoha was a suprise one, how anybody actually reading this manga could think otherwise is another mystery. Oh fucking course ANBU was around on security while two villages, which where in a state of war not long ago, cooperating to organize a chunin exam/tournament. Yes Konoha was on alert, but so would be every single other village in this manga, if they had a delegation and shinobi from around the world participate in their country. Doesn't mean they knew about the suprise attack.
Last edited by Schabrak; July 29, 2013 at 05:28 AM.
Konoha didn't know about Orochimaru's surprise attack, they stationed ANBU to be prepared just in case, and to provide additional security. I think Gai was shocked at how few ANBU were posted on Hiruzen's orders. And no Konoha 12, whether Chouji, Sasuke, or even Neji, had any pyschological disorder. Hinata suffered from lack of self confidence, Neji suffered anger, Sasuke suffered arrogance, Naruto suffered loneliness, etc, but none had psychological disorder.
ANBU was definitely on higher alert thanks to Orochimaru though, and possibly Gaara, not because of foreigners coming to Konoha.
You can't use the real world because it's completely different from Naruto world. Kids are groomed to be killers at young age with virtually no one objecting to it. in the real world, there are a few people that will get offended and all at the thought. There seems to have been no disorder in any of the Konoha 12 or many other shinobi that we have seen. Konoha was enjoying years of peace, there was no constant threat of death for the kids before they became genins ever since Hashirama and Madara established Konoha. We know there were four dangers - Madara attackin the village, Kyuubi and Tobi unleashing their rage against the village, Orochimaru invading the village, and Pain decimating the village.
True though, Orochimaru's invasion was less of a surprise than Pain's, considering his appearance in the Forest of Death set off alarm.
I don't see why I can use similar situations. And just because they appear normal doesn't mean they don't have any disorders. I think people are confused about how said disorders would manifest. Anyway, the children are taught from a young age about killing and dying. Just because they presumably wouldn't be involved in direct actions til later on doesn't mean they don't know the threat. And really, considering the number of events that happen in Konoha in just the last decade, that's not even really the case.