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Team 5 (Byakuya Kuchiki, Hachigen Ushōda, Rangiku Matsumoto)
Team 6 (Yammy Llargo, Aaroniero Arruruerie, Dordoni Alessandro Del Socaccio)
Don't forget to read the rules first before you proceed. You can click on character names below pictures to go to their Bleach wiki article for more information. This is a team fight, characters in the same team help each other against the other team.
Welcome to the Round 2 of team fights of the second Bleach Tournament!
Here are the contestants who will battle against each other to advance to the next round in the team bracket:
TEAM 5 TEAM 6
Interesting matchups. I think Byakuya and Hachi would be enough to take Yammy released. Before then is taking the two others. With both being proficient in kido and Byakuyas speed I don't see Dordoni nor 'Aaron' as a problem. Matsumoto could probably hold her own against either of those two.
Well, the match-up is difficult. I', going to vote later.
The problem is that both Byakuya and Hachi are quite good, but I doubt they would be enough to take down released Yammi, especially since before both Byakuya and Kernpachi who were both fully healed needed to go all-out in order to defeat him and they were quite worned out after that fight and that fight lasted quite a long time, so I seriously doubt Byakuya and Hachi would be enough, but the thing is that it's a team-fight, and so it would be 3 against 3, while Matsumoto as for me is by far the weakest here.
Both Dordoni and Aaroniero seem to be Captain class. I doubt Matsumoto is even close to Shikai Ichigo from the time, when he fought Dordoni, while Ichigo actually needed at least Bankai to take Dordoni down. Of course he wasn't that serious, but still. Aaroniero is as well stronger than Rangiku. Of course people can bring the fact that he was defeated by Rukia, but that was too much plot induced.
And if Matsumoto goes down, then it won't be just Byakuya and Hachi against released Yammi, but Byakuya and Hachi against released Yammi and two other members of his team and I don't see how they can win against these three...
I think Rangiku is stronger than Rukia, so she shouldn't have as much trouble against Aaroniero. And therefore, Don Panini shouldn't be a problem, either. Team 5 wins.
Well, Rangiku does seem to be stronger than Rukia from before, but she still never showed anything to be considered to take down Captain Level opponents like Aaroniero or Dordoni, so I can't see her winning against any of them and it seems that under normal circumstances they would try to take her down together in order to help Yammi and end the fight.
Again Dordoni was taken down by Bankai Ichigo in Hueco Mundo Arc and I seriously doubt Rangiku would even be able to even tie against Shikai Ichigo from Hueco Mundo Arc.
Byakuya's team wins, the opponents are weak, and even that yammy was a disappointment in the end, I really doubt he was above stark and barragan!
It took both Ken and Byakuya to take down Yammy, so there's one obvious problem for Team 5. Rangiku could probably hold her own against Dordoni, but then Aaroniero is free to do as he pleases while Hachigen and Byakuya try to handle Yammy. And although Aaroniero's defeat to Rukia was somewhat disappointing, he remains a powerful and dangerous opponent. Team 6 should win this.
I would like to say team 6 would win this as well but I don't know. As stated above, it took the combined effort of Byakuya and Zaraki to defeat Yammy and although they appeared to have had an easy fight the medical team said they were severely injured. I don't think Hachi and Matsumoto have the combined power to match Zaraki. However, Hachi does have the means to cut like Zaraki which may be the only thing needed in this fight. It's possible he could seal off the other two so everyone could focus their efforts on Yammy.
If Hachi is attacked relentlessly in melee range, what answers does he have for that? He has sub par speed, while dordoni and AA have notable speed feats. Either one COULD blitz him and so long as they keep it up, Hachi should be screwed. He hasn't used a single hado skill, and all of his powerful bakudo have telegraphs that are obvious up close, and AA would be familiar with lower/mid level kido.
Matsumoto, although I think she is tough, Dordoni performed well against Ichi's bankai, and while sealed soundly handled shikai. And AA should be significantly stronger, and his resurrection may present difficulties to any non high level bakudo, or anything Matsumoto can do. Plus in the hell one shot he could seemingly fly.
Dordoni's resureccion when he got serious went from two of those bird like projections to 10-12. That's a pretty huge increase in offensive capability. So in a way, he wouldn't even have to get close to Hachi to make sure he doesn't have an opening. Yammy definitely would require the greatest bakudo's to hold him, and he shouldn't have too much issue with byakuya, but I def see him having a hard time catching him so it wouldn't be quick. And if Hachiis given the time, he can definitely turn the fight on a dime, and give his team an easy victory.
Would AA have zan destruction and body possession abilities? They were metastacia's abilities and he did eat metastacia's corpse.
fight with Barragan showed how quickly he can weave Kido constructs. As for his offense? This should be all he needs in terms of offense. Plus he can also transport things with his kido so he has quite the moveset for a fight like this. AA would be familiar with lower/mid level Kido, but I think it was said that Hachi's kido was what he created after he left S.S. right? AA wouldn't know or have any idea how to counter those as Kaien wouldn't have encountered them.
You think an attack that worked on Gillian would work on espada by default? Why not try that against Baraggan? Love wasn't ripping Stark in half nor was Lisa slicing Hallibel to a hundred pieces. That chapter was fan service. And it wasn't all that quick IMO (regarding the stronger bakudos). Guess that's our opinions
Hachi hasn't been under a melee assault, don't see how he could do much when giant wind funnels or tons of water with a trident won't stop assaulting him. If he takes the time to raise his arms to perform a bind or attack or anything other then a defense, when a weapon is coming at him, he will get hit, and he has no durability feats. On missing arm, and some of his abilities are lost.
In regards to the teleportation, its not that he can teleport anything INSIDE someone, he teleported his arm inside Barragan's cloak, but not inside Baraggan himself (due to his being a skeleton), just very close to him.
Thats what Baraggan thought of that massive box. He made no attempt to move out of the way, he literally waited behing the first seal wondering if they were going to bore him to death. All of the seals utilized gestures that could not be done under assault.
Last edited by xXAshisogiJizoXx; June 12, 2013 at 11:53 AM.
That I do not know, I was just giving an example of his sole offensive capability, which in hindsight, I shouldn't have said, "cut like Zaraki". Is it as strong as Zaraki's cuts? I don't know, but it's something that could help. I've no clue why he didn't use it although he had plenty of chances. When he first arrived he sealed Barragan to keep away from Barragan but since that didn't work, he relied on Soifon's Bankai to finish the job so it most likely isn't as strong as Bankai or Hachi figured since his Kido would be aged, there was no point in attempting to attack with it and he might as well keep on the defensive.
As for speed let me give one more example but if it doesn't sway you we'll leave it at opinions. Clap-on Kido.
That clap kido was certainly fast enough for an opponent that was far away, and just standing around, but I don't see it working on a mobile or attacking target, who is after Hachi specifically. It didn't instantaneously activate on clap, it had to activate as shown in the top panel of your second link. Plus, could that hold a massive target? Unlikely.
what about mid kick? Mid brawl? Or charging right at someone else (top speed)?
Now, sure you could argue that it may be difficult if they were charging him, but there are two important things to remember.
1 - all of those were chant less (thus very quick)
2 - Hacchigen is not fighting the 3 by himself.
Number 2 is particularly important - and it is fights like this where kido specialists (such as Hacchigen) really comes into their own. As long as his team mates support him, he can immobilize the opponents rapidly and easily (as for if the bakudo will hold is a different matter). He can also attack from range. Team mates supporting makes it considerably harder to blitz him.
As for the final part:
We have one final thing that helps Hacchigen - he has shown to be able to put a technique on someone and then follow up with a chant to strengthen it (this makes his strong seals considerably faster).
Now, with this said, you would think I would quickly go with team 5. If Yammy wasn't there then perhaps I would. However, unlike many here, I consider Yammy a great threat.
I will wait a bit before voting - to see if people come up with some good points.
But currently, as far as I see it, it depends if Byakuya and Rangiku could take out the other members of team 6 before Yammy gets too angry. If so, I believe they will win.
If Yammy can get angry enough, before his team mates die, then I may give team 6 the win... I am not sure.
"Could argue that it may be difficult"? It would definitely be, how that is even a question is silly. You sound like landing a surprise attack is at all similar to landing a direct one. Plus Kensei was mindless, a shunpo is infinitely more effective than a charge. As for facing an enemy alone, If rangiku can't handle either AA or DADS, and Bya can't soundly beat Yammy, then someone will be paying attention to Hachi, and his team mates will be distracted, and beaten in time, so he will have the DIRECT attention of someone. All your links had a telegraph; columns had to fall, rasing hand in grasping gesture, performing a hand seal. The only instantaneous thing at this level of combat he can definitely do IMO is raise a barrier like he did at the end with barragan, which can easily be gotten around with someone who makes liberal use of sonido, especially if they are already close. That chapter also showed me how slow Hachi is in terms of shunpo, so even running away is not a great option for him.
I have no doubt a super strong bakudo could hold a massive target, but I don;t think the generally quicker mid or low level ones could. So CAN Hachi in favorable conditions bind all three opponents, of course. But those conditions all point to him being far away, and/or untargetted.
Yammy is of course a huge threat, but I think Byakuya could waste a lot of his time using his bankai, though I do think Yammy would ultimately win.
How can Rangiku beat anyone on team 6? Sure there is the completely out of context argument that Rukia beat AA, but DADS feat of holding up well against Bankai Ichi trumps anything Rangiku has done. She would not last long.
Last edited by xXAshisogiJizoXx; June 12, 2013 at 01:53 PM.