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Translations: Gintama 506 (2)
Team 7 (Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck, Yasutora Sado, Cirucci Sanderwicci)
Team 8 (Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez, Uryū Ishida, Choe Neng Poww)
Your digressive attitude towards the obvious question is suspect enough. You can't answer it because there exist non.
What did Shunsui shown that puts him in the same wave length as Byakuya let alone being superior because he certainly didn't show any of that during his fight with Starrk whom he approached consciously with timing & chance.
Crucial detail such as Ishida & Renji's primarily powers being negated through Szayel scentific mean?
Don't know why I even bother at this point.
Can you answer those questions?
& before you state the inconsequentially flawed point you made against Torran about a captain is somebody who is "able to take on a Captain, or someone of comparable power, and at the very least force them to actually get serious is probably a start", I will tell you a simply fact. Mayuri is classed as a captain & is a capatin & Szayel is classed a captain. Both these individuals have vastly different approach to combat compared to Nnoitra because their abilities demands it.
Szayel or Mayuri are two individuals who can't dare take an attacks of HM Chad & expect to walk away freely (Torran post scans of Szayel being critically injured by Renji's incompetent low lvl kido) . Nnoitra could take it because his style is different.
At the end of it all they (Szayel, Mayuri & Nnoitra) are all classed captains. Mayuri is also an individual who can easily destroy Nnoitra because his poison attacks the fragile insides of the body. That means the bones, tissues, organs, brain & etc & Nnoitra is disadvantaged to fight Mayuri for he lacks the means to combat him in range.
Captain class, different fighting style, different outcomes in fighting each other. That's why Torran told you your claim of a captain class individual is somebody who is "able to take on a Captain, or someone of comparable power, and at the very least force them to actually get serious is probably a start" is extremely flawed & he is factually correct in saying that.
You claimed it & yet couldn't back it up with concrete feats. Kept ignoring simple details & not acknowledging the feats you were indulged to.
The Szayel fight, admittedly, had Renji and Uryu at a disadvantage. But Renji's fight have been - losing to Ichigo. Losing to Ichigo. Losing to Byakuya. Beating a fraccion - and even people like Rangiku could beat the fraccion easily when at full power. Losing to Szayel. Losing to an unreleased Yammy at rank 10 and not overly angry. Beating Jackie, a weak fullbringer. And Losing to a quincy. You seem to be under the impression that Renji is at a captain's level, and yet can you show me any evidence he has enough power to fight people like Komamura or Shunsui?
And finally, out of curiousity, why do you think Shunsui is the new CC and not Byakuya?
He fucked up Szayel pretty badly with a half-assed Kido, was limited to using just Shikai, and then when Szayel finally allowed Renji to fight at full power, he was too worried about Uryuu and stopped paying attention to his surroundings, and Szayel captured him and made a voodoo doll. What do you mean losing to an unreleased Yammi? He released right away, or almost, Renji was even talking casually with Chad there when they saw the 10 in his shoulder. No comment. He failed to cut through As-Nodt Blut Vene, and this is the guy that survived a nuke from an enraged Yamamoto and survived with just some burns. Then the Luchador SR attacked from behind while Renji desperately tried to save Byakuya.
Last edited by Hakuteiken; June 20, 2013 at 11:45 PM.
Please try to discuss issues related to the respective battle in some way or other. Of course, other names might get a mention here and there to emphasize a certain participant's power, but refrain from structuring the entirety of a post over characters that have no place in the battle.
Anyway, this is a very close call imo. Grimmjow vs Nel is really a toss up, so is Sado vs Uryu. Uryu has beaten Cirucci however and Poww pretty easily shook of some hits from Komamura. Sado could probably beat him, but I doubt it'd be easy. At least, I can see Uryu downing Cirucci before Sado downs Poww.
Though really I suppose it doesn't matter. Whoever wins between Nel and Grimmjow will just destroy the others. I'm leaning toward Team Grimmjow here
Last edited by Buzz Killington; June 21, 2013 at 01:39 AM.
I didnt forget to read it (honestly doubt it really mattered), I just didnt quote all of it
Your example, what about that implies Renji would even make Aizen swing his sword at him? I mean, a reiatsu crush is viable.. Did you forget Aizen lol'd his way through like 7 Captains in FKT?
Team 7 (Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck, Yasutora Sado, Cirucci Sanderwicci) : 5
Team 8 (Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez, Uryū Ishida, Choe Neng Poww) : 25
Team 8 advances to the next round.
You can discuss the results in Bleach Tournament Discussion Thread.