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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    @Prince Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by syx View Post
    Nananananana Batman Itachi-chan!

    [Databook III - ShounenSuki]
    The Totsuka Sword
    [picture of Orochimaru being sealed into the Totsuka Sword]
    ←It's a type of "Kusanagi Sword*," equipped with the power to throw the person it stabs into a genjutsu world of drunken dreams, sealing them for all eternity. The sword itself carries a "fuuinjutsu".
    That would be nitpiking... The sword SEALS what it can pierce. It does not direcly cast a genjutsu on a target to claim that Itachi was able to capture the target in a genjutsu. Better stated Itachi was able to SEAL Nagato in a genjutsu world.
    Its not even something that a rinnegan can provide protection against. Even Madara with an EMS would have no protection on it as its not a visual genjutsu.

    Itachi was unable to get Nagato with a genjutsu in that entire fight or he would have done so. He had to limit his vision to use that sword of his.

    To claim that Itachi was able to cast a genjutsu on Itachi because of that sword is not only nitpicking but its also wrong. Itachi was able to SEAL Nagato. Seal him in a genjutsu world but its a SEAL.

    Keep in mind the other guy stated "Woooh. Nagato was being caught by itachi's genjutsu? When?" and that would be where he is right. Itachi was not able to catch Nagato with a genjutsu, he was able to catch him with a SEAL.

    This also direcly applies to what Prince Sasuke stated aka:

    Quote Quote:
    Itachi has caught EVERY opponent he has ever faced in Genjutsu, jiraiya wouldn't be any different.
    And this would also be incorect as to catch with a seal =/= to catch with a genjutsu. The fact that you end up in a genjutsu world is not relevant.
    Asuming Tobi's dimension would be a ilusion world and the warp would dump you there it would not mean Tobi would catch people in genjutsu, he would warp them.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    @xXan

    It's not nicpicking, it's all true. At the end of the day Nagato was seal/put/caught in a GENJUTSU. Live with it. I never said anything about Itachi 'casting' Genjutsu.

    @Marshall

    I didn't say anything about it being Sharingan Genjutsu. Stop lying and making excuses.
    Last edited by Prince Sasuke; June 19, 2013 at 07:50 AM.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    @Prince Sasuke

    Nop... You have a CLEAR difference from SEALING someone and catching him in a genjutsu.
    You made the claim of Itachi CATCHED him in a genjutsu and he did not exacly do that. He catched him with a SEAL.

    That seal works by trowing the target in a genjutsu world but its a SEAL.

    You have a HUGE diference from a seal to a genjutsu as both would effect him DIFERENTLY. Nagato with evolved EMS eyes aka rinnegan would have hight resistance to genjutsu coming from Itachi as Itachi's genjutsu is visual based. Now a seal would get around this fact as its not a genjutsu but a SEAL. You seal the target in a genjutsu world but in the end you are SEALING HIM.
    Last edited by xXan; June 19, 2013 at 08:29 AM.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    @xXan

    It's not nicpicking, it's all true. At the end of the day Nagato was seal/put/caught in a GENJUTSU. Live with it. I never said anything about Itachi 'casting' Genjutsu.

    @Marshall

    I didn't say anything about it being Sharingan Genjutsu. Stop lying and making excuses.
    You didn't say anything but your post is kinda like that. All the characters in your list was being caught by itachi's genjutsu. And by putting nagato in that list, then it also means he was being caught by itachi's genjutsu. It isn't that hard to understand,

    And when I replied to your post by saying ''when was nagato was being caught'' you just said it was when he was hit by totsuka. With that, it's almost the same as you just admitted that nagato was indeed caught by itachi's genjutsu.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @Prince Sasuke

    Nop... You have a CLEAR difference from SEALING someone and catching him in a genjutsu.
    You made the claim of Itachi CATCHED him in a genjutsu and he did not exacly do that. He catched him with a SEAL.

    That seal works by trowing the target in a genjutsu world but its a SEAL.

    You have a HUGE diference from a seal to a genjutsu as both would effect him DIFERENTLY. Nagato with evolved EMS eyes aka rinnegan would have hight resistance to genjutsu coming from Itachi as Itachi's genjutsu is visual based. Now a seal would get around this fact as its not a genjutsu but a SEAL. You seal the target in a genjutsu world but in the end you are SEALING HIM.
    The key word here is Catch. He caught every one of his opponents and put them in a Genjutsu. I don't care if he blew a kiss at them to put them in a Genjutsu, the bottom line is still the same. THEY ALL ENDED UP IN A GENJUTSU.

    ---------- Post added at 08:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:35 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    You didn't say anything but your post is kinda like that. All the characters in your list was being caught by itachi's genjutsu. And by putting nagato in that list, then it also means he was being caught by itachi's genjutsu. It isn't that hard to understand,

    And when I replied to your post by saying ''when was nagato was being caught'' you just said it was when he was hit by totsuka. With that, it's almost the same as you just admitted that nagato was indeed caught by itachi's genjutsu.
    Are you naive? Nagato was absoultely caught by Itachi's Genjutsu. The tusaku blade IS ITACHI'S GENJUTSU.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Are you naive? Nagato was absoultely caught by Itachi's Genjutsu. The tusaku blade IS ITACHI'S GENJUTSU.
    Not really, Itachi didn't create the genjutsu world where Totsuka transfers you to.. That's like saying Naruto/Jiraiya can use genjutsu via Ma&Pa singing.

    Doesn't really matter for the discussion tho.. Maybe Jiraiya would be caught in genjutsu but he knew alot about how to counter/dispel genjutsu, as seen by teaching Naruto (Naruto wasn't able to break trough it but Jiraiya was far better at chakra control than Naruto at that point so it's a reasonable assumption for him to be able to break it).

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    It doesn't matter if he created the world or not, he's the only one with acess to it. Everyone that have toad Summonings have acess to ma and pa toad, so it's completely different. When it's all said and done, Itachi put every opponent in a Genjutsu. That haven't been proved wrong and it's manga fact.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    The key word here is Catch. He caught every one of his opponents and put them in a Genjutsu. I don't care if he blew a kiss at them to put them in a Genjutsu, the bottom line is still the same. THEY ALL ENDED UP IN A GENJUTSU.

    ---------- Post added at 08:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:35 AM ----------


    Are you naive? Nagato was absoultely caught by Itachi's Genjutsu. The tusaku blade IS ITACHI'S GENJUTSU.
    No. Totsuka blade sealed anyone's soul and nagato's chakra was never messed up. How the genjutsu really works? By messing their opponents chakra's flow right? And how the totsuka blade works? By sealing anyone's soul and sealed them into the genjutsu world. So, are they the same? Hell Noh.

    Totsuka blade has a fuinjutsu. It sealed anyone's soul. So please, compare them first before saying that I'm naive. Because as far as the manga is concerned, nagato was being sealed by totsuka and not being caught by totsuka's genjutsu.

    Oh by the way, totsuka sword is a sealing sword and not a genjutsu sword.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    No. Totsuka blade sealed anyone's soul and nagato's chakra was never messed up. How the genjutsu really works? By messing their opponents chakra's flow right? And how the totsuka blade works? By sealing anyone's soul and sealed them into the genjutsu world. So, are they the same? Hell Noh.

    Totsuka blade has a fuinjutsu. It sealed anyone's soul. So please, compare them first before saying that I'm naive. Because as far as the manga is concerned, nagato was being sealed by totsuka and not being caught by totsuka's genjutsu.

    Oh by the way, totsuka sword is a sealing sword and not a genjutsu sword.
    Once again you have no clue what your talking about lol.
    Nagato's chakra was disrupted, when he was stab by totsuka sword he was back to normal and not under kabuto's control in a instant. Totsuka sword seals you in a GENJUTSU. If you don't know that, then maybe you should just stop reading mangas.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @Prince Sasuke

    Nop... You have a CLEAR difference from SEALING someone and catching him in a genjutsu.
    You made the claim of Itachi CATCHED him in a genjutsu and he did not exacly do that. He catched him with a SEAL.

    That seal works by trowing the target in a genjutsu world but its a SEAL.

    You have a HUGE diference from a seal to a genjutsu as both would effect him DIFERENTLY. Nagato with evolved EMS eyes aka rinnegan would have hight resistance to genjutsu coming from Itachi as Itachi's genjutsu is visual based. Now a seal would get around this fact as its not a genjutsu but a SEAL. You seal the target in a genjutsu world but in the end you are SEALING HIM.
    That's irrelevant as everyone that Itachi has used genjutsu on has been put in genjutsu. Clone Kakashi was the only one who didn't feel the effects or was in danger because of genjutsu, everyone else was. Whether you count or want to count Nagato or not, fact remains that everyone has been hit with genjutsu successfully when Itachi casted it.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Like I said before in another thread. Itachi's performance against Naruto, Bee and Nagato really hurt many fans of this series.

    It's Databook fact that you are trapped in a Genjutsu once the Sword pierces you. Since the manga didn't show any more details or contradictions, I go with the Databook instead of some weird excuses to save Nagato's character, lolz.

    Like it or not, Nagato is currently trapped in a Genjutsu. It's Itachi's Kekkei Genkai, Itachi's Susanoo, Itachi's Sword, Itachi's Genjutsu. It's irrelevant how or in which way Nagato was trapped. Fact is that Itachi managed to trap him in one with his arsenal and nothing else matters to support Prince Sasuke's claim.

    People treat the chapters 549, 550 and 551 like anime fillers, lol.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    No. When someone hit by totsuka, their soul, as in their soul was trapped in the genjutsu world. That's entirely different from being caught by itachi's genjutsu.

    And the fact that prince sasuke just said the word ''caught''. He just means it was a sharingan's based genjutsu.

    Well, my point is that including nagato's name on the list of characters who was BEING caught in genjutsu by itachi is kinda nonsense. Because the manga itself never said that nagato was being caught by itachi's genjutsu, but rather he was hit/stabbed by totsuka and his soul was sealed into the genjutsu world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Once again you have no clue what your talking about lol.
    Nagato's chakra was disrupted, when he was stab by totsuka sword he was back to normal and not under kabuto's control in a instant. Totsuka sword seals you in a GENJUTSU. If you don't know that, then maybe you should just stop reading mangas.
    No. Totsuka sword seals your soul into the genjutsu world.

    Sealing your soul into genjutsu world is entirely different from being caught by genjutsu. I'm pretty they're not the same. And does it even hard to understand that a genjutsu never use any fuinjutsu? Not unless from your POV, there's a fuinjutsu based-genjutsu. well, there's a sound genjutsu, visual genjutsu and now there's a fuinjutsu genjutsu.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    What part that you don't understand???

    Is it the part about Itachi's eyes are the one to create Susanoo?
    Is the part that Sasanoo is Itachi's Sharingan jutsu??
    Is it the part the totsuka is a part of Itachi's Susanoo???
    Is it the part totsuka create a Genjutsu????
    Is it the part that its ITACHI'S GENJUTSU??????????
    Is it the part that SUSANOO,TUTSUKA,GENJUTSU WORLD ALL BELONGS TO ITACHI???? ?????????????

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Your overestimation of itachi's win over to nagato. Stop saying that he was CAUGHT by itachi's genjutsu, because that's not entirely true at all. Stop making it as a big feat for itachi to defeat a rinnegan user through his genjutsu. That's no doubt a desperate attempt to make itachi's genjutsu as unbeatable.

    Itachi sealed nagato's soul........... no more no less.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Your overestimation of itachi's win over to nagato. Stop saying that he was CAUGHT by itachi's genjutsu, because that's not entirely true at all. Stop making it as a big feat for itachi to defeat a rinnegan user through his genjutsu. That's no doubt a desperate attempt to make itachi's genjutsu as unbeatable.

    Itachi sealed nagato's soul........... no more no less.
    I love how you try to make my debate into a versus discussion. I never said ANYTHING about Itachi defeating Nagato with Genjutsu. Intact, I never said Itachi defeated any of the guys on the list with Genjutsu.

    One question:
    Where did Itachi seal Nagato soul to??? Itachi caught Nagato with his sealing sword and put him in a Genjutsu

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