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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    cross-posting this here while I'm working on something else entirely

    humans remains regurgitated once their bellies are full




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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Interesting. Annie says "I'm a failure as a warrior" there when they're imploring her to come underground (into the dark). In the latest chapter, Reiner says there are some titans who are active at night, and looks to Ymir as someone who should know that very well already. I suppose all warriors are expected to be able to fight in the dark then. After all, we've seen Reiner and Bert do so in recent chapters, I believe... *goes to check*

    *edit*
    Actually it's dawn in chapter 42 (look at the sky) from what I can tell...
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    Still not a time when most titans are likely active though, since it was apparently safe enough for them to run to the giant forest between walls Rose and Maria.
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    xxxHolic Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Wouldn't it be easier to put all these facts in something like Google Docs or a Wiki?


    Anyways, as for other facts I've noticed:

    - The currently known Titan Shifters except Ymir (Annie, Reiner, Bert, Eren) have German names. Historia Reiss also seems to be a German name.
    There is, however, possibility that Annie, Reiner and Bert falsified their names just like Historia who's currently under alias Christa
    - Some titans (Annie and the titans in wall) are capable of covering themselves over with an extremely hard material.
    It seems to me like this is a form of hibernation, and some real life animals like water bears are capable of going into a similar defensive hibernating state for decades and then reactivate when conditions are better
    - Ape Titan didn't know what 3D gear tech is and didn't know that humans were aware of titans' weak point.

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Quote Originally Posted by dabrickmaster View Post
    - The currently known Titan Shifters except Ymir (Annie, Reiner, Bert, Eren) have German names. Historia Reiss also seems to be a German name.
    I'd like to point out it's not just Titan-Shifters. In fact the vast majority of the characters in SnK all have German (or otherwise Northern European) names/surnames, all down to minor characters from the main cast.

    A few examples: Eren Jaeger, Mikasa Ackerman, Armin Arlert, Jean Kirstein, Connie Springer, Sasha Blaus, Thomas Wagner, Millius Zermusky, Erwin Smith, Ilse Langner, Auruo Bossard, Gunter Schultz.

    So I guess no meaningful info can be derived from the origin of the characters' names other than the author simply decided to go for those kind of names.

    Otherwise one would think ALL characters in SnK are Titan-Shifters in disguise. Which wouldn't be THAT far from a possible truth either, now that I think of it LOL xD

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Well I thought Mikasa was a Japanese name, and they did say she was an Orient.

    Now I realize that vast majority of names are German, but then there's some names like Ymir and Rivaille sounds French. Then there's Hanji and Keiji which are also Oriental names.

    But point is, overall the fact wasn't supposed to suggest something ridiculous like "ALL characters in SnK are Titan-Shifters in disguise" but to suggest that there is probably something really significant or relevance of the races in the SnK world which could help in understanding what the world was like before/after or inside/outside the Walls. I mean we learn that in each of the villages within the walls, there's a lot of different kinds of people and cultures. You got mountaineers, you got Sasha's hunting people, the religious wall cult, Ymir's people, the Orients, etc. In fact I think that the fact that the vast majority of the people within the walls are German says something important about what happened 100 years or multiple centuries ago.

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    The given name "Mikasa" is a Japanese-sounding name (like "Keiji," as Utsune brought up), but her surname "Ackerman" is clearly European/Germanic in origin.

    Also, just thought I'd point out to you, dabrickmaster, "The Orient" is a place (AKA "The East," or "Asia") and not a people. The term "Oriental" has been used to refer to people of Asian decent in the past but it sounds kind of sketchy nowadays to use that word. Especially considering no one uses "Occident" nowadays, let alone using "Occidental" to refer to people from the West. Better to say "Asians" if you don't know their country of origin (as in the case of this fictional world with parallels to the real world). That's a much more neutral term.

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Nah, I totally realize what you were trying to say wasn't that ridiculous. But I thought I might as well put some clarity in there since, you know, this is a post about Facts rather than generic observations.

    Ymir'r name clearly comes from Norse Mythology.
    Mikasa's first name indeed is oriental enough, but her surname is Hackerman. Or maybe Mikasa is the surname and Hackerman the first name? I always get that wrong xD
    Rivaille is a messed up romanization for Levi, which is the correct (and oly known) name that character. This is been officially clarified by Kodansha.

    So basically yes, 99% of characters in SnK seem to be from an European-like context, which might be interesting in itself. It's not like this is insignificant, in fact the manga is full of references of this kind, including Norse and Greek Mythology (check my thread, although it's still lacking on the Norse side, which I'll fix as I have the time).

    But in your original post you siad "Titan-Shifters have German names", which was misleading, hence my clarifying and adding more info to the subject. Hope you didn't get this as personal, I'm just trying to make things as clear/informative as possible myself. Peace!

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    @Kannazuki
    Ok well fair enough, I shall call them Azns for the time being.

    @Bandreus
    I've tried googling Mikasa as a german name but I found nothing. Ackerman, the surname, is indeed a German name however.

    I suppose "Titan-Shifters have German names" is misleading enough. We need more info on the subject of races in SnK world I guess to conclude that this fact is more than just a generic observation.

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    The original says they're people from the East, so "Orient" is a good translation. Mikasa's surname is probably from her father, and first name given to reflect her mother's heritage!

    As a side note, most people suspect Mikasa's name comes from the Japanese Battleship Mikasa, which in turn takes its name from Mount Mikasa (Nara, Japan. Or maybe it was directly from Mount Mikasa, but being a battleship fits Mikasa too lol.) Mount Mikasa is a name that pops up from one of the famous Japanese poems. (You can click on the second wiki link I provide at the bottom to read the poem.) The poem is basically expressing the nostalgia for the poet's home-village near Mount Mikasa, and this message reflects Mikasa Ackerman's current situation (losing her family and/or being far away from her homeland.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Mikasa
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_no_Nakamaro#Legacy
    Last edited by Utsune; June 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM. Reason: typo

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Quote Originally Posted by dabrickmaster View Post
    @Kannazuki
    Ok well fair enough, I shall call them Azns for the time being.
    OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Utsune View Post
    The original says they're people from the East, so "Orient" is a good translation. Mikasa's surname is probably from her father, and first name given to reflect her mother's heritage!
    I think maybe you're misunderstanding me? "Orient" (like "Occident") refers to a place or region and not the things that come from there. "Oriental" (like "Occidental") refers to something that comes from that place, so at the very least you would use the word that describes people and things that come from the Orient. Saying someone "is Orient" is sort of like saying "I am North America" instead of "I am North American." But on top of that, in modern English, it sounds weird to refer to a person as "Oriental." Like calling a black person "negro." Once upon a time (again like 50+ years ago at least) it was commonly used but if you use it nowadays, most people will look at you funny, you know?

    Anyway, thanks once again for the useful information!!!! ^_^

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Quote Originally Posted by kannazuki View Post
    OK.

    I think maybe you're misunderstanding me? "Orient" (like "Occident") refers to a place or region and not the things that come from there. "Oriental" (like "Occidental") refers to something that comes from that place, so at the very least you would use the word that describes people and things that come from the Orient. Saying someone "is Orient" is sort of like saying "I am North America" instead of "I am North American." But on top of that, in modern English, it sounds weird to refer to a person as "Oriental." Like calling a black person "negro." Once upon a time (again like 50+ years ago at least) it was commonly used but if you use it nowadays, most people will look at you funny, you know?

    Anyway, thanks once again for the useful information!!!! ^_^

    Ah sorry for the mistake, I might pretend but English is technically my third language so lol. Anyways, the original says 東洋人, which you probably already know means "Oriental." Hope this clears it up!

    Hmm I'm Oriental, and I call myself (and people who are Oriental) an Oriental, because I feel the term "Asian" is way too broad. It traditionally excludes the Arabs and Indians and other western Asian places... is what I feel. Because the country I'm currently in (UK) it is extremely multicultural, so I guess every bit of description counts lol.

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Cool. English is my first language (Japanese is my third, lol) but I'm of African descent myself. If you find a lot of people are referring to themselves as "Oriental," then perhaps that might be a North American/British English thing then? If we have any linguistics specialists in here then they might know the difference in the Englishes better than me. We're quite multicultural in Canada, but you wouldn't tend to hear the term "Oriental" used seriously by most people here. Maybe in a small town or rural area? The portion of Asia you're referring to is typically called "East Asia" here (which also separates it from South Asia for example, which I don't believe Orient/al does). That said, most people would refer to their own countries first, before bringing a continent (or region) into it. It's more if someone doesn't even know the country that continents come in. At least that's how I grew up with the most polite people around me behaving.
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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    Well, I don't think we will be able to get anything specific regarding character's home countries/nationality or the like. Isayama keeps things very vague and undefined on this side. I think he just cares about the characters themselves way more than about a more clearly defined setting.

    So the therm "Oriental" is pretty much used in a very meta way, since we lack a more specific context. When I read "Oriental" I just assume it's intended to mean "Asian" really, and am perfectly happy with it.

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    I only used the phrase Oriental because it's shorter and an adjective form of saying "of the Orient" lol, but Azn works too, same message still achieved.

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    Re: Compilation of the true history and facts about giants

    The mysterious person who lived inside Castle Utgard brought canned herring and alcohol with them

    Now this is a very significant scene for a variety of reasons.

    1-The humans living inside the walls don't have access to the ocean. Remember Eren's reaction to Armin telling him about the sea in an earlier chapter, he couldn't believe giant stretches of salt water could exist. That means these cans come from outside the walls, as herring is a salt water fish.

    2-Now since it wouldn't make much sense for these cans to be a hundred year old (Ymir wouldn't have tried to eat them if that was the case) that means they've been brought recently by whoever lived inside Castle Utgard before Ymir and co tried to rest here for the night. That guy also had bottles of alcohol. This makes it possible the Ape Titan is a shifter too and that it was his human form who stayed inside the castle.

    3-The cans strongly hint at other human settlements existing outside the walls. It also hints at these settlements not being walled communities, since they can go fishing in the sea, which implies they have other means to survive against titans.

    4-Finally, since Ymir can read the characters on the can but Reiner can't (despite Reiner being pretty much confirmed as someone who comes from outside the wall) this means there's at least two different human settlements outside the walls.
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