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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wowzers View Post
    Yes, Sera is a genius, but an alternative explanation would be the Sunwoo had a number of helicopters checking out islands in the area and the one carrying the elders went slower till the other helicopters could regroup with it then they all went faster.

    Sera's message was sent while they were traveling slower and they hadn't met up yet.
    That wouldn't work as the HQ would imiedieatly notify glasses to any changes in the number or speed and direction of the incoming vehicle(s).

    I also thought they could have been simply hacked, but my biggest issue with this theory was that - If you could alter the info on the radar this much (not just speed but also number). Then you could also simply erase Sunwoo presence altogether, and right now Shioon would still be punching away at Murim special forces.

    But as i was re-reading the chapter Ketsurou posted i realized this wouldn't be a very good idea. - An unannounced arival on the island would be effectively no different from an attack. And since this is goverment restricted area, they would have legal right to use force, lethal force even. BUT, Because Sunwoo announced themselves the whole thing is much more politically correct. This is the part i was missing

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    The doctor said that Shioon reminded him of someone but he said that someone is not from 30 years ago the doctor said his official duel is from 30 years ago but if he was reminded of someone and he said it was a fuckers face that means that is not an official duel but more like a brawl i think its Chun-Woo or Sosul's Grandfather or the head of blood moon school that was destroyed and banished

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Spoiler Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ketsurou View Post
    Look closer: http://mngacow.com/wp-content/manga/52682/120/0012.jpg

    It wasn't the ground. It was his foot. You know that just has to hurt, even someone like Shik. That's probably why the doc instinctively reacted to that attack and sent Shioon flying. Pain!
    WHAAATTTTTTT???? YOU BRAT, BRATTTTT SCREAMING IN PAIN, NEXT THING SHIWOON JUST WENT FLYING LIKE LIL BIRD HAHAHA... TO SEE THE DOC ACT THAT WAY MAKE ME REALLY HAPPY LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    Nah that'd be a stretch. Unwol is old enough to be his grandpa. I'm positive shioon's father is someone that's never been metioned in the series yet.
    BUT HIS IN THE WORLD OF MURIM I BET HE IS A BADASS ONE

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    For those wondering what the type of helicopter the elders are on, it's the Agustawestland AW139 Luxury version.

    The Agustawestland AW139 Luxury version can seat 8 passengers(4 at back, 2 at the middle and 2 on the front facing the other passengers).

    While the Agustawestland AW139 Transport version can seat 15 passengers.

    So if it's 5 helicopters, and 4 of those are the Transport version, then 4x15=60.

    60, at least.
    I might know the difference...maybe.

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Yellowcard View Post
    Doeas anyone have a good theory as to why the info regarding Sunwoo's arival was so off the mark? Not only the timing, but also the number of helicopters was wrong. The HQ reported only one aproaching helicopter.

    Maybe i'm overthinking thing's, but this is supicious to me. Almost as if someone on the inside was on Shioons side or something. This is not a mistake you can make when looking at a radar screen. And those helicopters are not the type that could be undetectable either.
    My theory is that the Sunwoo Clan was basically flying under the radar. I also believe that Sera's intellect was in play here too, intentionally have 1 aircraft fly towards the target clearly in the radar scope, thus getting them fixated on that approaching threat while all other crafts were in NOE (Nap of The Earth) flight. The first detected helicopter was to both deceive and inform, giving a false ETA while also letting it be known that a craft is approaching that they had no justifiable means to deny.

    P.S.
    As for Shik witnessing the massacre by Unwol, I don't believe that at all, however I do recognize the possibility that Shik may have had that unpleasant experience with Unwol at some other time. That said I favor the idea that the person is someone else from the Sunwoo, a previous clan head who also embodied that incredible fighting spirit.
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    All of Sunwoo and even Shioon will be surprised if they say that Shioon is just missing for a day or two because Shioon thinks that his broken hand was healed that he was unconscious for a week and even the ghost doctor will want Shioon more hahaha

    I really want to see the face of smig face and mustache butler after hearing the news from MMA that Sunwoo's gaju just returned i imagine it will be a WTF face for the 2 of them and smug face will be angry that even a bomb cant kill Shioon and ask ryuji if Shioon's on the deaths door when they left

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by 4ghost View Post
    My theory is that the Sunwoo Clan was basically flying under the radar. I also believe that Sera's intellect was in play here too, intentionally have 1 aircraft fly towards the target clearly in the radar scope, thus getting them fixated on that approaching threat while all other crafts were in NOE (Nap of The Earth) flight. The first detected helicopter was to both deceive and inform, giving a false ETA while also letting it be known that a craft is approaching that they had no justifiable means to deny.
    This theory has a couple of major flaws.

    1) Flying over and under the radar is possible, and would show one while the others remained under radar like you said. But, the ETA was given based on radar information, not simply Sera saying "yeah, guys, we'll be there in 20." Your theory does not explain the false ETA, which was based on the governments own systems.

    2) This is the South Korean Government we are talking about here. They don't just have radar, and it is not that easy to sneak up on any government power with a force of 5+ helicopters.

    It is far more plausible to suggest that they were simply hacked, especially since the kid said "no problem, I've hacked them before." If you can actually get in to a system, manipulating radar isn't that difficult for a hacker of that level.

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    In regards to your first point I don't believe my theory is flawed at all. Perhaps it would be flawed if I stated that the Sunwoo only deployed 5 helicopters for this mission, but their is the possibility that 6 or more were used. In which case, as I said before, have that 1 fly clearly in the radars path while all others are ahead flying below the radars scope.

    In regards to the second point it is true that I don't know all of the methods of detection that are at the South Korean Governments disposal, but NOE is a flying tactic used to minimize detection and helicopters are particularly well suited for it. For instance Seal Team 6's successful foray into Pakistan for Bin Laden. Also considering that it is a remote seemingly "unimportant" island to those outside of the SMD many of those methods of detection may not have been at their disposal. There is also no telling just what year this is in the story and if South Korea has their own Satelite to use as part of their detection system. I believe their first successful launch was the first month of this year.
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by 4ghost View Post
    In regards to your first point I don't believe my theory is flawed at all. Perhaps it would be flawed if I stated that the Sunwoo only deployed 5 helicopters for this mission, but their is the possibility that 6 or more were used. In which case, as I said before, have that 1 fly clearly in the radars path while all others are ahead flying below the radars scope.
    My point is, this only explains the invisibility of the helicopters, and it is a very very good explanation for that--but it does not explain the incorrect ETA. That "one" would still show up on the radar, and it would be that "one" which the radar guys would calculate the ETA--but the ETA they calculated was wrong. The helicopters didn't simply fly faster, because speed is accounted for in ETA calculations. From the current reactions we've seen, the Sun Woo arrived at least five minutes early, possibly even more. That's a miscalculation of 1/4. Radar specialists don't make that kind of mistake.

    It is true that we don't know what other technology the island team has, but even going with radar alone your theory only explains the invisibility of the other helicopters and not the false ETA.

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Wow, seems like I am the only one around here that didn't like this chapter? The fight - actually it wasn't that much of a fight - did last way too long in my view. Nothing much happened, again. Shioon did his usual stuff being badass and shit, impressing everyone around him but not me as a reader anymore and that's the kicker in my case. That's why I was relieved when I saw the last panel. Now I hope for some real action from Elder Kwon, but something tells me that there won't be an all out clash between the two grand masters. The Doc doesn't seem to be worried about the Sunwoo Clans arrival. Elder Kwon should teach him some manners.
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ketsurou View Post
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/the_b...0/c066/30.html

    "... the Elders of the Murim therefore summoned Unwol, who lived in seclusion at the time ..."
    Your link brought to me something completely unrelated. On part1 chapter66 Unwol has short hairs, and when he get imprisoned in the cave we still see him having short hairs. So does he grow long hairs during imprisonment?

    Well it seems not! http://www.mangahere.com/manga/the_b...s/c104/11.html

    If you just go to NW chap104, when Unwol is just going to be imprisoned since he is telling Ryu about the BOT accident and that he need to find another master, he has long hairs.

    So we can assume author just changed Unwol appearance on the fly, making this little mistake.

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ketsurou View Post
    My point is, this only explains the invisibility of the helicopters, and it is a very very good explanation for that--but it does not explain the incorrect ETA. That "one" would still show up on the radar, and it would be that "one" which the radar guys would calculate the ETA--but the ETA they calculated was wrong. The helicopters didn't simply fly faster, because speed is accounted for in ETA calculations. From the current reactions we've seen, the Sun Woo arrived at least five minutes early, possibly even more. That's a miscalculation of 1/4. Radar specialists don't make that kind of mistake.

    It is true that we don't know what other technology the island team has, but even going with radar alone your theory only explains the invisibility of the other helicopters and not the false ETA.
    Again I am saying that the ETA is correct for the helicopter that they detected. The one helicopter that they wanted to make sure that the Government saw. Given that I think my theory would explain the invisibility and the faulty ETA.

    Above radar.......................... H(ETA 20 minutes)
    _________________________________________________________________________Island___

    Below radar............................................................ HHHHH(ETA 10-15minutes)

    I think you missed my point, they intentionally wanted a helicopter to be detected with a 20 minute ETA at the point when their main forces were 5, 10 or 15 minutes ahead of that ETA.

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    that or they had the helo traveling at half speed to bend the eta from the first time they would be in radar range then they would progressively pick up speed

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    The glasses guy as was mentioned, seems to be a lot delusional. I see it funny how he "needs glasses to see better" if you know what I mean

    What Doctor Sik remembered, as disgusting may be as in similar story situations - younger himself, when he was stubborn, or high spirited, and the world was not so forgiving for him. So now he wants to show kindly to Shioon, how the world is... to educate him on that. Maybe some later time, we will see something of Doctors Sik past.. Of course it might not be it, but it is 0,33 probable. Anyway.. that someone wasn't mentioned without purpose - something must be shown in the future.

    Theories about Shioon's Dad, the father being someone from Murim would explain how he is so "fast learning" and being a genius. But such father had to leave Shioon very early, because if he were a Murim, he would not let Shioon be bulied in school, he would teach something of martial arts or just physical exercising or stamina on the early days of Shioon's childhood.
    Also lets remember - Shioon went to the school that was meant for kids of those who were from Murim, and some normal ones at that. But that would also prove the above theory.

    For the helicopters I agree the politics of informing of arrival was right course of action, and I imagine one of the choppers were with "radar on" and flying high enough from the surface of water so it was seen, others could have just followed that one in sight and fled very low to the water - which is hard to detect I suppose.

    Maybe Doctor Sik, from the beginning was frustrated that he got involved with the Sunwoo clan, and wanted a way out of it at the same time seen as "not suspicious" action for government. So all those rules in duel, were made to take time and don't let anything to happen to Shioon (I mean for him to be not dead or similar). He now should feel safe, because he is needed to fulfill his promise to grant one request for the Gaju of Sunwoo. This theory is also proved by his choice to just stand and not attack, letting Shioon do whatever he wishes... So Shik wanted just a way out of this situation, and also by handing over a token of granting of wish, he secured a future assurance that he will definitely see Shioon another time, and will be to talk to him, probably about his interest - the rebirth stuff. (I dont know if it were conscious or not, but its favorable for Sik in ways mentioned).

    And as I mentioned before fight with doctor, I hate fights that involve acupuncture/acupressure points.. I like more fights where opponents use their full capability, not where one is handicapped and still fights unable to show so much.

    All this incident might be just on rumor level, and now widely known. But lets remember how Elder Kwon behaved with clanmates attacking some clans, and then saying that it was just Sunwoo clan reorganizing and their Shioon was attacked. So I believe on same pattern Elder Kwon might do something aggressively and then claim that "hey, the gov tried to steal our Gaju".

    Nice thoughts also, about the blood and bone (or whats the name) clan going on rampage and exterminating murim some years ago and relating it to Sik being also advanced doctor and some fighting 30 years ago... Maybe it is conncected.. maybe some later on we will hear something about past even more... In a shorter manner I prefer, as whats happening in nowadays excites more in a way.

    About what is to happen next - If Shioon is consciouss no fighting and agressive things will happen. If that would be not the case Sunwoo might at least kill all the SMF, and thake Manager Jung as hostage, leaving just Ju Sik behind. That would show em not to mess with Sunwoo.
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 121 Discussion / 122 Predictions

    Its called ETA "estimated time of arrival" its the fancy word of saying they will arrive more or less 20 mins the government estamated the time the helicopter will arrive they didnt say the helicopter will arrive at exactly 20 mins and besides we don't know how long doctor and shioon are fighting if the fight only last 5 mins then we can say that they feed the wrong ETA but if the fight last 15-17 minutes then the ETA is correct about rest of the helicopters either they arrive a bit late and use the first helicopter as a decoy to let them enter in the airspace or the fly low like the guys that hunt osama binladen they fly low in the mountains to avoid detection
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