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Thread: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

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    Confused Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    All Sasuke should have to do is look at the target....he doesn't need an Enton Arrow...I mean I liked the combination but still...if Amaterasu is an undying flame...what was the whole point of the little speal with Naruto and his FRS giving life to a dying flame...on the natural side mean...why in the world should he need Naruto's wind jutsu if One look can do this..



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    But instead...it only does this...I mean seriously...he's even looking at the beast right now...why not just spam the crap out of Amaterasu?


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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    im assuming the benefit of combining the amaterasu flames with the enton arrow is you not only spread the initial surface area of the damage

    but you also inflict deeper damage wthe the arrow

    thus making the damage harder to slow down or stop (for example had the raikage been hit with an amatersu arrow instesd of just the occular projectile version

    he would not have had time to severe his own arm to prevent the sprasd of the damage)

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisame Hoshigaki View Post
    im assuming the benefit of combining the amaterasu flames with the enton arrow is you not only spread the initial surface area of the damage

    but you also inflict deeper damage wthe the arrow

    thus making the damage harder to slow down or stop (for example had the raikage been hit with an amatersu arrow instesd of just the occular projectile version

    he would not have had time to severe his own arm to prevent the sprasd of the damage)
    Yes, that's probably it, if he had used the regular form, the juubi would have probably had one of it's fodders jump in the way and take the amaterasu hit, due to the huge distance, he needed to get close to it, and what's more, perhaps the juubi can shed affected parts of itself off like kirabi did in order to escape in that exact fight you showed up there, so he had to get in close, and that pinwheel probably caused it to penetrate too deeply into it's flesh to be simply removed, and over such a wide area as to not need to spread very much, you saw how the regular one didn't hurt karin at all, and how long it took itachi to hit and then to completely burn sasuke, who escaped it the same way bee did. Due to heat rising, it would take quite a while (in ninja time) for them to be incinerated enough for lethal damage, just look at how little danger it posed to the raikage and gaara. If the raikage hadn't decided to take the hit, he would have been totally uninjured.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    Quote Originally Posted by narutotheory
    But instead...it only does this...I mean seriously...he's even looking at the beast right now...why not just spam the crap out of Amaterasu?
    Because it takes a crapload of chakra aswell as eye-strain. He friggin' bleeds out of his yes for christ sake, lmao.

    Enton hasn't been nerfed, it's just that it's a fire, and fire works a certain way. If you set something on fire it's gonna burn slower than say, if you focus a condensed flame through a blow torch and steadly burn away the object. When you see Amaterasu flames on someone and they're not dead instantly, it's because the flames aren't being focused. When you see him set the Zetsu aflame, they all burn away in a second, except for the one he intentionally saved inorder to question. If he wanted he could've increased the intensity and burned him into nothing like he did his brethren.

    As for the strength of the jutsu, again, I emplore everyone to pay attention to it's feats of strength aswell as it's failures.

    Amaterasu:

    -burned through an inflammable Fire Toad's stomach
    -burned away 12 Zetsu instantly
    -burned away multiple tails from Gyuuki in mere seconds, one-shotting him (the second strongest bijuu mind you)
    -cut through Kidoumaru's unbreakable webbing (only broken by Neji by focusing on the chakra points inside. Sasuke just strong-armed through that shit)
    -killed Pain's regenerating dog (a feat that FRS couldn't even do, and it has the power to kill even regenerating opponents by cutting them on a cellular level)
    -actually named in the manga as "the strongest fire jutsu"

    Amaterasu is as deadly as it's ever been. It can't beat plot though, and for that, it'll never one-shot an opponent.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    The flames being focuses or not shouldn't mean a thing give how hot they are. These flames should literally engulf everything they touch or are even within close proximity too the second they are summoned.

    Amaterasu's biggest advantages are 1) The speed at which the attack is delivered, and 2) The intensity and lifespan of the flames (7 days and 7 nights).

    Kishi only nerfed Amaterasu's heat, never the actual usage of the jutsu. Instead, he made characters such as A and Danzou who were tailor made to fight such a technique, and then made it so Kabuto couldn't be killed because of a plot device (Edo Tensei).
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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    well, zetsu said it was the most powerful ninjutsu,

    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-394-1/n...apter-389.html

    but i don't think so, fearsome as it may be, we have characters like nagato who can instantly push it away without any damage at all. As far as its heat, it's been shown to be very focused from the start. When we first saw it, jiraya and naruto were mere inches from it at some times when sealing it, but they weren't hurt, no smoke or anything comes off of it, and it takes a while to burn something
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-399-3/n...apter-394.html

    You can see that snake had seconds of life there despite being completely covered, the same thing happened to karin, and likewise the raikage had quite a long time where his arm was on fire without it spreading over his body, the same goes for when it was in the toad's stomach, it only burned the areas around the hole itachi made, and spread very slowly. It burns everything, but it does not spread quickly, otherwise the entire world would be destroyed every time it was used, because if everything burns like gasoline to it, and it also spreads as quickly as if everything was made of gasoline, AND it burned for seven days and seven nights, then nothing could stop it from overtaking the entire world, and in fact would pose a huge danger to the ninja who used it.
    Last edited by winterwyrm; June 18, 2013 at 08:44 PM.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi
    The flames being focuses or not shouldn't mean a thing give how hot they are. These flames should literally engulf everything they touch or are even within close proximity too the second they are summoned.
    Like I said: it can't beat plot. It won't destroy anything Kishimoto doesn't want it to destroy, even when canonically, it should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterwyrm
    but i don't think so, fearsome as it may be, we have characters like nagato who can instantly push it away without any damage at all.
    That was an Edo Tensei version of Nagato who can't feel pain, otherwise he would've never been capable of activating the jutsu due to said pain.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Like I said: it can't beat plot. It won't destroy anything Kishimoto doesn't want it to destroy, even when canonically, it should.

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    That was an Edo Tensei version of Nagato who can't feel pain, otherwise he would've never been capable of activating the jutsu due to said pain.
    when you take a moment to analyze the properties of that combined attack, the frs portion not only made an explosive impact with a wide spread area on the inside, the spinning wind is constantly spreading the amaterasu flames and the enton arrow itself penetrated deeply thus making the amaterasu burn internally

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    Or it just means that sasuke amaterasu isn't a one-shottednjutsu. Sasuke's fans just said that sasuke can create a 20 story building size amaterasu if he wants. But from the latest chapter, it proves them that they're damn wrong. And they just said that sasuke can fire his amaterasu with such a long distance. And again, the manga proves them wrong.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    Its obvious why... Its for the plot... Kishi had to make Naruto's "wind and fire bla bla bla, hold hands, bla bla bla" stuff..

    Sasuke should LOOK at it and cover it in flames.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    i believe kishimoto is trying to show that sasuke alone cannot defeat the juubi/or anyone insanely strong with just amaterasu, he needs an equally strong wind style technique to help fuel his fire.

    also, amaterasu is op in nature (the ability to burn anything down just looking at it, fire included) also, skills like itachi's sword and shield had to be erased from the series with itachi's death because those techniques are just way too strong based on description alone.

    op skills/items like these serve no entertaining purpose in the series because fights would just dwindle down to whoever makes the first move and lands em.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    @YEEKUZA

    Interesting fact is that he can going by what the manga showed to this point. Sasuke's FIRST Amaterasu shoot using feelings and not his brain(well just about) covered Bee in a second or 2... Juubi is bigger but its nothing he should not be able to cover...

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    It's because Amaterasu coats whatever the user's eyes focuses on. But Enton doesn't work like Amaterasu. It's a set amount of flames molded into a shape that limits it's size until it actually connects and naturally starts to burn the way a fire should.

    If Sasuke had took the time to focus all the chakra necessary to burn Juubi completely with an Amaterasu, he probably would've passed out from the chakra drain due to the Juubi's sheer size.

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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @YEEKUZA

    Interesting fact is that he can going by what the manga showed to this point. Sasuke's FIRST Amaterasu shoot using feelings and not his brain(well just about) covered Bee in a second or 2... Juubi is bigger but its nothing he should not be able to cover...
    not true, kirabi allowed his tentacle to be covered with that fire while he separated himself from it, in reality it took a long time while he was thrashing around and karin was being hurt, just for show while the real kirabi escaped uninjured... The flames didn't even undo a regular transformation jutsu, something even a regular punch has been shown to do several times over. You're acting like bii lost that fight, and that he was one-shotted even, in reality he could have easily shed off the burned part of himself and crushed taka, however he just didn't want to and deliberately took a fall. In other words ama only got out of control because bii allowed it to.

    I still don't see ama as the be all and end all of ninjutsu, though I do agree about itachi's sword and shield, it was op, if madara's susano'o had those abilities or any special sword at all, and especially if his mokuton clones could do that, then this fight would have ended some time ago.

    Btw, nagato was only hit by it due to him being surprised and sluggish due to kabuto's control, in a face to face fight he would have simply used full body shinra tensei before even being hit, or would have removed it before it could do damage like what happened with karin. If it hadn't been a sneak attack, that would have gone very differently, and he can see everywhere due to his rinnegan, the only reason he was able to surprise nagato was because kabuto still thought itachi was under his control.
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    Re: Did Enton/Amaterasu just get Nerfed?

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    That was an Edo Tensei version of Nagato who can't feel pain, otherwise he would've never been capable of activating the jutsu due to said pain.
    You're literally implying he wouldn't react in time... Considering Nagato was able to tell that Itachi was gonna use Amaterasu

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