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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by exacta View Post
    Maybe this ice realm is where the Quincy's go where they die. Maybe it's like a special level of hell that all and only Quincy's enter when they die. That would explain why there is so many of them all of the sudden.
    that would explain why no quincy ever show up in soul society. i guess bach kills any again once they get there if they dont join him. so souken and masaki might be there.

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    So if you take Juha's words litteral and true, that uryu is the last "living" Quincy, then both Ryuuken and Ichigo are proven to be dead, aka souls.
    I do wonder when it happened to Ryuuken though, perhaps he made himself a soul recently.
    Kinda glad, cause I was tired of the Ichigo is still alive discussions, and this is another dent against that theory.

    While Ichigo is only 50% Quincy, and Uryu probably estimated around 75-95% Quincy since his mother was a halfblood and farther a pureblood, then that should make Ichigo similar to Uryu at least. Yet Ichigo died when he had his chain of fate cut back in early Bleach, Juha's words seems to support this now, for what it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHBOTT View Post
    that would explain why no quincy ever show up in soul society. i guess bach kills any again once they get there if they dont join him. so souken and masaki might be there.
    Not so sure about Souken, he was brought to Soul Society for experiments, Mayuri probably ruined his soul until it died, and as such it should reincarnate in the world of the living without any memories of his past life.
    Unless of course Mayuri destroyed his soul during the experiments?

    Masaki I have thought about this for a while, in fact, there is a scary pattern for this...
    • Mini Introduction Arc.
    • SS Arc - Save Rukia.
    • Middle Arc (Aftermath of Aizen).
    • HM Arc - Save Orihime.
    • Middle Arc (Fullbring).
    • Quincy Arc - Save Masaki.

    You can also see it this way, save a love, save a friend, save your mother, the 3 possible relationships with the opposite sex, which matches along with Ichigo's 3 key powers.

    How each power symbolises with each Ichigo has rescued or has to rescue is up for another debate, for example how Orihime was in the "Lust Arc", symbolism which could point towards them never ending up being together, while others may see it differently.

    All in all, will Ichigo venture into Quincy lands to invade it to save his Mother, should he learn about her being there?
    According to Juha's words this chapter, it will take a while, a short while but still a while, for Uryu's powers to awaken and thus starting the next invasion, and this could give Ichigo time to invade the Quincies.

    Might say that he will stay at the Royal Guards to train, but Ichigo never liked training, he always just rushed into things half finished training.
    If he somehow learns about his mother being alive as a soul, then I got no doubt that he'll do the very same thing, all over again

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    Heck perhaps he'll bring along Byakuya this time
    So Renji, Rukia, Byakuya and Ichigo invading the Quincy palace, I wonder how that would even play out if it ever came to be, and how exactly would the Royal Guards react to this? Would they allow it? Is it possible to leave the Royal Dimension without their permission?
    But if it came out this way, then they would probably team up with Urahara, Chad and Orihime who already are in Hm where the Quincy palace is supposed to be hidden.'
    Edit: HOW could I forget Grimjow
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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Aizen seemed to be nothing but respected by his subordinates though. Starrk had nothing but rather fond thoughts of aizen as he died. Aizen gave him a home and companions after all. Barragan did hate his ass although he was the only one who actually hated aizen. Harribel was loyal to him until she backstabbed her. Ulquiorra probably had no fond thoughts of aizen but he was still rather fiercely loyal. Nnoitora and grimmjow probably did not give enough of a crap about him either way. Zomari was nothing short of fiercely loyal, he died screaming his name. Grantz was probably indifferent too, the matter was never really hinted at either way. Arroniero seemed overall loyal.... Then we have the fraccion and other random arrancar. Loli and melony were so entranced by the guy that they could not handle orihime gathering attention.

    Juhabach was involved with a few events in the past but he was nowhere near as involved as aizen. Aizen was directly responsible for ichigo's inner hollow and the way ichigo's powers developed was all thanks to aizen. He was the one who started with the whole hybrid thing too. Overall juhabach's involvement seems purely circumstantial, he did not actually do anything intentionally. Masaki's death was an accident over which juhabach had no influence over (aizen on the other hand was GF's boss) and katagiri's death was solely because she was sickly to begin with, again, something outside of juhabach's control.

    And to be fair, juhabach can only have two objectives so far... Either destroy the world or become the king. Nothing else would really make sense at all.
    I'd say Juha Bach being responsible for the existence of the Quincy and the connection he has with Zangetsu coupled with being responsible for Masaki's death makes him more involved with the overall plot of Bleach, which is surfacing this arc really. Also, some Arrancar respsected Aizen, but some clearly didn't care that much, like Nnoitra, Grimmjow, and Grantz. Also, only a few of them went around screaming "AIZEN SAMA!", whereas all of Bach's subordinates treat him the way Barragan's fraccion treated Barragan. I think Bach's plan isn't that simple. Perhaps not too complex, but something strange is obviously going on here.....aside from making Uryu his successor, disrupting the balance is supposed to destroy the world. So why would he do that, instead of just simply attacking Soul Society?

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    Also just realized we still don't have Stern Ritter Colonel Sanders/Commissioner Gordon's name and schrift. I think he's my favorite one so far.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions



    Ywach's face = "i'm on to you, and i raise you"

    Uryuu's Face = "Fucking hells to the yes, i got me an empir... what wait a minute some dusty old scrolls WTF"

    Ywach's off-panel face = "oh silly you, did you think you was getting my Empire, Oh no no dear boy, you have just been Ywached "
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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by exacta View Post
    I'd say Juha Bach being responsible for the existence of the Quincy and the connection he has with Zangetsu coupled with being responsible for Masaki's death makes him more involved with the overall plot of Bleach, which is surfacing this arc really. Also, some Arrancar respsected Aizen, but some clearly didn't care that much, like Nnoitra, Grimmjow, and Grantz. Also, only a few of them went around screaming "AIZEN SAMA!", whereas all of Bach's subordinates treat him the way Barragan's fraccion treated Barragan. I think Bach's plan isn't that simple. Perhaps not too complex, but something strange is obviously going on here.....aside from making Uryu his successor, disrupting the balance is supposed to destroy the world. So why would he do that, instead of just simply attacking Soul Society?

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    Also just realized we still don't have Stern Ritter Colonel Sanders/Commissioner Gordon's name and schrift. I think he's my favorite one so far.
    The quincy were only relevant to the plot after the timeskip. Through the entire rest of the manga most things about them in general were at large irrelevant to the plot. Contrary to aizen juhabach has only had circumstantial and accidental involvement in the overall plot of bleach until the war. Aizen in turn participates and his decisions directly influenced every aspect of the manga and continue to do so today. I mean, ichigo was born because of aizen. Ichigo got hollow powers because of aizen. Ichigo awakened shinigami powers because of aizen. Ichigo fought ikkaku, renji, kenpachi and byakuya in that particular order because of aizen. Ichigo went to HM because it was aizen's plan for him to do so. The only thing aizen did not do so far was force shinigami viagra down ishin's throat and put a leak ishin's condoms or replace masaki's birth control with tic tacs...

    Aizen did not particularly aim to be worshiped though. He merely asked to be followed and ultimately each and every arrancar there followed him whether they hated aizen or loved him. Hinamori is the only case where he wanted to be worshiped or something similar to that and as far as we know hinamori is still a mess. Safe for a few exceptions most of them at least respected him. Its not like grimmjow and co were the norm, specially if we consider arrancar outside the espada.

    I still think that guy is somehow related to ishida. I am kinda hoping he is souken's brother or something... he does kinda look like him after all.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneInParticular View Post
    Indeed, if Uryu is trying to one-up Yhwach by himself, I have no doubt he'll lose. Yhwach is a lot stronger, has more tools and allies at his disposal, and is cunning enough to pull his own trick on Uryu. But just by looking at Uryu's face, he looks like he's trying hard not to give his true feelings away, whether they may be shock or hatred or whatever else.

    I'm also wondering if Uryu actually fully intended to take control of the Vandenreich somehow. He may or may not have expected Yhwach to just hand him the title of successor, but maybe what Uryu is aiming for is to realise Souken's vision of Shinigami and Quincy working together for the greater good.
    I think he did intend to take over Bach's seat once this whole thing was over and done with. Just that things went a little smoother than expected. Which is why Uryu is being cautious for now. And Uryu has been aiming to realize Souken's dreams for a long time.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    So, any guesses as to what the new letters stand for?

    S - Star?
    K - Knight
    I - no clue
    H - Hatred?
    B - no clue
    D - Dimension? That thing he threw kinda looks like a portal
    I think Nakk Le Vaar has the same (or similar) power as Blueno from One Piece, and then D would mean Door. H for Hatred sounds great, you may be onto something. Letter I could probably mean Ice, which kinda fits since Cang Du stole Hitsugaya's bankai. If he has his own ice powers in addition to Toshiro's...

    Oh, and B obviously stands for Bishonen.

    Also...
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    When I saw it first, I thought it was a Garganta, but now...
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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    The quincy were only relevant to the plot after the timeskip. Through the entire rest of the manga most things about them in general were at large irrelevant to the plot. Contrary to aizen juhabach has only had circumstantial and accidental involvement in the overall plot of bleach until the war. Aizen in turn participates and his decisions directly influenced every aspect of the manga and continue to do so today. I mean, ichigo was born because of aizen. Ichigo got hollow powers because of aizen. Ichigo awakened shinigami powers because of aizen. Ichigo fought ikkaku, renji, kenpachi and byakuya in that particular order because of aizen. Ichigo went to HM because it was aizen's plan for him to do so. The only thing aizen did not do so far was force shinigami viagra down ishin's throat and put a leak ishin's condoms or replace masaki's birth control with tic tacs...

    Aizen did not particularly aim to be worshiped though. He merely asked to be followed and ultimately each and every arrancar there followed him whether they hated aizen or loved him. Hinamori is the only case where he wanted to be worshiped or something similar to that and as far as we know hinamori is still a mess. Safe for a few exceptions most of them at least respected him. Its not like grimmjow and co were the norm, specially if we consider arrancar outside the espada.

    I still think that guy is somehow related to ishida. I am kinda hoping he is souken's brother or something... he does kinda look like him after all.
    It was impossible for Aizen to plan all of Ichigo's fights, for example the fight with Ikkaku was compleely random chance, when he flew randomly from the sky and practically landed randomly on top of Ikkaku. Renji was an emotional matter, he went out of line, while Aizen might have predicted this, I doubt he really did know Renji "that well". Aizen is good at information, but understanding other people in that depth was out of his league, othervice he wouldn't be so distanced to other people and feel so lonely as it turned out in the end after the Ichigo vs. Aizen battle, where Urahara and Ichigo talked.

    So yeah, he might have planned some of it, and also the fact that a lot of things did happen because of Aizen yes, but he never planned all of it, he's getting way too much credit for it.
    It's the same as saying you were only born today because of the domino effects after World War 2, in other words, as disgusting as it may be, you may only live today because Hitler did what he did.
    The same can be said about Aizen, it's a bit arrogant of him claiming to be the designer of Ichigo when most of it wasn't intented, he just pushed the domino effect unintentionally into action, that's all.
    Some few things he did plan though, but far from all of it, especially not the love between Isshin and Masaki, who in essence made Ichigo who he is as in personality, Quincy and Shinigami, and the meet between those two was completely random and unintented through Aizen.

    Aizen deluded himself to think he was a God, an all knowing, of course being deluded he thought that he made Ichigo, but it was merely an indirect result from his actions, something that was out of his control.
    The only thing Aizen truly did in his control was sending Byakuya in search for Rukia.
    I don't think he did send Rukia though, how did he manage that when Ukitake was in charge of her? It seems a bit far fetched that Central 46 would send a spicific low ranked Shinigami to a specific location.
    Although, I agree it's a bit weird that the person who had the Hougyoku ran straight into Ichigo, the most unique being in the Bleach-verse, so perhaps there are something to sending Rukia afterall. But what else could he plan?
    He could anticipate Byakuya going after Ichigo, and Zaraki too, but as far as making it happen was out of his control, he could only anticipate it happening.
    Also there is no way in hell Aizen would have predicted Rukia giving Ichigo her powers leaving her powerless, and as a result go missing in SS, there is just no way he could predict this happening, these situations can turn out differently in 100 different scenarios, at minimum, heck Rukia sud have been powerful enough to kill it, had she not had to save Ichigo going suicide mode.

    As for Juha Bach, I agree we sud have had more clues from early on in the manga, especially considering we were told more than once that the Ishida's were the last Quincies, so it was hard to imagine more to appear, although as dead Quincies.
    Imo the Lore and Myth about the Quincy King one day, yet unknown time, returning should have been mentioned pretty early in Bleach, back when the Quincy was introduced, it would also have added some more excitement to Uryuu's development through the series.
    Not revealing too much, but the uncertainty of idea of a Quincy King appearing one day could have made this arc all the more legit.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    i thought yama jii already killed that fear sternritter dude. that with the mask thingy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivekthemenace View Post
    i thought yama jii already killed that fear sternritter dude. that with the mask thingy.
    They all have Blut Vene, remember? That Driscoll guy was probably the only one stupid enough to let Yamamoto's shikai incinerate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivekthemenace View Post
    i thought yama jii already killed that fear sternritter dude. that with the mask thingy.
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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Ishida sure got a better welcoming party then Ichigo.
    Meh

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHBOTT View Post
    that would explain why no quincy ever show up in soul society. i guess bach kills any again once they get there if they dont join him. so souken and masaki might be there.
    not really, all the over 2000 quincy mayuri experimented on where on SS, but, he did say they where all weak, so probably only the quincy that are strong (or pureblood) are taken to vandenreich, the others where left to rot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    The quincy were only relevant to the plot after the timeskip. Through the entire rest of the manga most things about them in general were at large irrelevant to the plot. Contrary to aizen juhabach has only had circumstantial and accidental involvement in the overall plot of bleach until the war. Aizen in turn participates and his decisions directly influenced every aspect of the manga and continue to do so today. I mean, ichigo was born because of aizen. Ichigo got hollow powers because of aizen. Ichigo awakened shinigami powers because of aizen. Ichigo fought ikkaku, renji, kenpachi and byakuya in that particular order because of aizen. Ichigo went to HM because it was aizen's plan for him to do so. The only thing aizen did not do so far was force shinigami viagra down ishin's throat and put a leak ishin's condoms or replace masaki's birth control with tic tacs...

    Aizen did not particularly aim to be worshiped though. He merely asked to be followed and ultimately each and every arrancar there followed him whether they hated aizen or loved him. Hinamori is the only case where he wanted to be worshiped or something similar to that and as far as we know hinamori is still a mess. Safe for a few exceptions most of them at least respected him. Its not like grimmjow and co were the norm, specially if we consider arrancar outside the espada.

    I still think that guy is somehow related to ishida. I am kinda hoping he is souken's brother or something... he does kinda look like him after all.
    well, quincy where relevant to the plot, only we didnt know yet, theyr influence was invisible, much like the vandenreich itself, besides there is plenty of time for the story to develop yet, we are just begining, i do bleieve there is way more to juha bach then what we know so far, and besides what influence he could have had in the recent timeline (while ichigo was alive), i am especialy beting on his past, i think there is much more there then meets the eye, he wasnt just an evil bastard, i made this point in another post, but i will say it again, he could possibly even have been a hero turned villain by the harshness of the world and being betrayed, quilge called ichigo a "traitorous shinigamy" after all, and i am waiting to see what he meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta42 View Post
    I think Nakk Le Vaar has the same (or similar) power as Blueno from One Piece, and then D would mean Door. H for Hatred sounds great, you may be onto something. Letter I could probably mean Ice, which kinda fits since Cang Du stole Hitsugaya's bankai. If he has his own ice powers in addition to Toshiro's...

    Oh, and B obviously stands for Bishonen.

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    When I saw it first, I thought it was a Garganta, but now...
    OMG, you amy have found somrthing that indicates the quincy where watching even back then! i would love it if its true! think about it, the amount of people saying that this arc is bullshit and kubo just made it up, think about the look on theyr faces!
    heres what i think is the explanation to BB having multiple DF:
    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...t=#post3373390

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulAuron View Post
    OMG, you amy have found somrthing that indicates the quincy where watching even back then! i would love it if its true! think about it, the amount of people saying that this arc is bullshit and kubo just made it up, think about the look on theyr faces!
    Actually, this scene is from the beginning of this arc, so it wasn't that long ago... Storywise, I mean. The arc itself began a year and a half ago, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    I mean, ichigo was born because of aizen. Ichigo got hollow powers because of aizen. Ichigo awakened shinigami powers because of aizen. Ichigo fought ikkaku, renji, kenpachi and byakuya in that particular order because of aizen. Ichigo went to HM because it was aizen's plan for him to do so. The only thing aizen did not do so far was force shinigami viagra down ishin's throat and put a leak ishin's condoms or replace masaki's birth control with tic tacs...
    He actually was not responsible for Ichigos birth. He had no idea Isshin was going to turn up and even after he did, he had no idea Masaki was going to show up... And even then, he had no idea what Masaki was going to do in the presence of a Shinigami, and even then, he never anticipated what was going to happen (Whitey implanting itself into Masaki).

    Seriously, the guy had zilch to do with Ichigos birth. It was all a massive coincidence. Lets not give him credit for everything.
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