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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    why does BAch have to go? I'm starting to think all the quincies have been in that shadow dimension for a thousand years. I think the time is different, for instance like 1 yr in shadow realm is 100 years in the real world. I wonder how hashwald will betray bach or kill him.


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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Maybe Yhwach wants to kill and replace the Soul King, like Aizen wanted. And then his successor would rule the Quincies, maybe even replacing Soul Reapers and acting as the new Gotei 13 and exterminating Hollows. As a new Soul King, Yhwach might find a way to solve the issue of the Hollows extermination disrupting the balance and threatening worlds.

    However, I think Kubo has something much better than this in store.

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    It's really surprising that Uryuu will be the successor of Bach!!!

    I think this ritual is something that will release Bach from the Shadow Realm and at the same time imprison Uryuu.
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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Thinking of it,Yamamoto wad really a failure: when he was about to fight the fake yhwach, three stern Ritter attacked him but were burnt and owned,they were buzz bee,as nodt and another one. We were sure he had killed them,though buzz bee was seen still alive when the strong ones summoned the "soldat", and now it appears all of them survived.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    Thinking of it,Yamamoto wad really a failure: when he was about to fight the fake yhwach, three stern Ritter attacked him but were burnt and owned,they were buzz bee,as nodt and another one. We were sure he had killed them,though buzz bee was seen still alive when the strong ones summoned the "soldat", and now it appears all of them survived.
    That is hardly a failure, Yama-Jii did the smart thing actually, he conserved as much energy he could for the head boss, the head of the snake. That isn't foolish, that's rather strategical smart.
    Whether he went for revenge on an idiotic Sternritter first or displayed his bankai instead of going all out first is another matter, but he didn' waste more energy on those 3-4 Sternritters, and that's exactly the point.

    Yama had to kill Juha, or nothing would matter, since no one else at the time would be able to stand up to Juha, Yama was the only one around cable of fighting him, so that took absolutely priority in order to preserve SS.

    Whether those Sternritters are laying on the ground toasted or die doesn't matter, as long Yama-Jii wins, if he lost, then it would hardly matter if those Sternritters survived anyway, cause Juha would still be around, and no one would be able to fight him.

    So when it all comes down to it, as tiny the margin may be, it wasn't foolish to preserve his energy and time for the head of the snake, cause SS would fall if he couldnt take down Juha, and he knew that.

    The non-fake Juha also questioned Yama whether he was exhausted after using his bankai on his fake-self, I don't think that was an ignorant question from Juha, but that Yama actually speneded a wholw lot of his energy in the short time he was in his deadly bankai.

    Either way, even if it didn't take that much to kill them for good, Yama-Jii still had to focus on Juha, with everything he had, that goes for mental focus too. He had to win, and block out everything else, whether small flies dies or not, he just had to win that battle, that's all that mattered.

    Even if all this is a margin, it does not change the fact that it was kill the head of the snake, or nothing would matter either way.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    i have a question, many doubts in my head, about the last chapter, about 3 quincies
    i think they were died, but now they appeared SO LIVE

    look
    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/506/8

    yamamoto didn't killed them?

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/506/11

    why they appears now in this CHAPTER?

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/543/5

    i think it was a fault of kubo

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Plot armor Blut Vene.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by tartaruga View Post
    i have a question, many doubts in my head, about the last chapter, about 3 quincies
    i think they were died, but now they appeared SO LIVE

    look
    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/506/8

    yamamoto didn't killed them?

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/506/11

    why they appears now in this CHAPTER?

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/543/5

    i think it was a fault of kubo
    Bazz B is live in 511 ch
    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...5-page-19.html
    which means the Nodt and Nanana is live too

    PS Blut Vene Rulezzzz
    Last edited by clint74; June 29, 2013 at 12:35 PM.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    As to all the complaints about why the SR survived: http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/710/8 I guess it could be something along those lines. Saving strength for the boss fight.
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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    I'm glad my post took the spotlight , I understand what you guys say, but I still disagree: their survival makes meaningless and wrong the discussion between the fake yhwach and Yamamoto, they should have died,or at least the statements about them should have been softer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    I'm glad my post took the spotlight , I understand what you guys say, but I still disagree: their survival makes meaningless and wrong the discussion between the fake yhwach and Yamamoto, they should have died,or at least the statements about them should have been softer...
    Not really charging in to a fight they couldn't possibly have won deserves exactly what was stated. The fact they are not dead is due to pure luck, Yama didn't know he was fighting a Fake Ywach, defending himself with whatever the hell he used was the smart thing to do, okay it didn't kill them but then he thought he was going to finish this war before it began, by killing Ywach when he found out he was tricked that's the only thing he did wrong.
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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by bromains View Post
    YOU GUYS ARE MISSING A VERY VERY IMPORTANT POINT HERE.




    "The last Quincy alive in this world" Does this mean that all those people are not quincies? Does it just mean uryuu is the only living quincy? if there all dead how would that work.
    i agree with you, but that is something a lot of people seem to think it may be somehow else, i am prety sure you are right, but we will have to wait for confirmation from the manga anyway.
    heres what i think is the explanation to BB having multiple DF:
    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...t=#post3373390

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    Quote Originally Posted by devstauk View Post
    Not really charging in to a fight they couldn't possibly have won deserves exactly what was stated. The fact they are not dead is due to pure luck, Yama didn't know he was fighting a Fake Ywach, defending himself with whatever the hell he used was the smart thing to do, okay it didn't kill them but then he thought he was going to finish this war before it began, by killing Ywach when he found out he was tricked that's the only thing he did wrong.
    I personally believe Yama should have gone and slaughtered all the SRs... I mean killing the leader is only going to force them to retreat and could come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymizzo View Post
    I personally believe Yama should have gone and slaughtered all the SRs... I mean killing the leader is only going to force them to retreat and could come back.
    Defeating juhabach would have had roughly the same result though. As we have seen with military forces in the manga the vast mayority of the power they have is usually concentrated within the leader. To a great extent taking out the leader equates to getting rid of at least half of the military power of the entire organization. More so, if yamamoto had mobilized against the stern ritern odds are juhabach would have moved against the captains which would have resulted in greater loses for both sides.

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    Re: Bleach 543 Discussion / 544 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymizzo View Post
    I personally believe Yama should have gone and slaughtered all the SRs... I mean killing the leader is only going to force them to retreat and could come back.
    I think that would be a mistake, strategically that would make Yama spend his energy and powers, when every little drop counts against Juha.
    We don't know why Yama failed to kill Juhaa 1.000 years ago, but I think it's fair to assume considering how easily Juha killed Yama in current time, even without using his bankai or fullstanding against Yama, that Juha was considerably stronger now than a 1.000 years ago, even if Yama had grown weaker.
    That is probably also something Yama would expect of Juha, since judging by Juha's character, he's very analytic and logical thinking, he woulnd't invade SS if he couldn't win, I'm sure Yama knew this.
    Therefore running around killing off Sternritters before going for the head of the snake, when every little drop of power and mental focus is required to kill Juha is vital.
    Remember Yama wouldn't know that the Sternritters were on limited time.

    Also the worst case scenario, that people really seem to forget, is the strategy from real life, called the Nash equilibrium theory.
    If Yama started to kill Sternritters to the right and left, who is to say Juha won't start kill Captains to the left and right?
    Think about it, isn't it strategically smarter to let equals duke it out, and trusting your men can pull through, rather than having every one killed on the battlefield, and then have a final battle with the two last survivors, Juha and Yama?
    Now this is also taken to the exstrme, but I doubt Yama would have liked Juha going after his Captains.

    The very fact that the big boss always sit and wait behind his soldiers is exactly that, Nash equilibrium strategy.
    To minimize looses of soldiers, you need to have equals fight it out, othervice the leftover stronger soldiers will go for the weak and brutally slaughter them all.
    That's why it's vital Yama focusses on Juha.

    More on Nash Equilibirum for the interested reader here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium .
    This is btw also how we avoided the Cold War with the U.S.A and Russia escalating into nuclear war.
    It's the same here with Yama and Juha, to avoid a brutal slaughter of both sides soldiers.

    If Yama started killed Sternritters, then Nash Equilibrium dictates that the most logical strategy for Juha would to intercept Yama, or start killing Captains. It sure as hell would be a bad outcome for SS if he had started killing Captains.
    Therefore I'm of the opinion that Yama-Jii did the absolute right choice, to minimize looses.
    Last edited by Quantized; June 29, 2013 at 05:59 PM.

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