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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    How doesn't it make sense? It's not as if Madara is using the technique through Obito, it's Obito who's employing it. That would mean that he had to already be capable of using it, else it wouldn't mater what Madara did.

    Nagato could use it, but given he was neither able to revive Yahiko or Jiraiya, then he lacked the scale that Obito is currently using it at. And Obito hasn't been controlling the Juubi for some time, so that's not an excuse.


    He couldn't have revived Yahiko and Jiraiya. If he revived Yahiko then he would have been going against everything Yahiko died for. Konan would have their friend back, but the resistance would no longer have the Rinnegans abilities because Nagato would be dead... which is specifically what Yahiko committed suicide to ensure didn't happen.

    He couldn't raise Jiraiya because doing so would have precluded saving all the other villagers he killed. He could either raise one long dead person or many recently deceased people .. not both.

    So no, there is no real reason to assume Nagato couldn't do it. Since the original plan was to have him raise Madara when the time came I would say the opposite is true.

    And .. when they attached themselves to the Jyuubi, it was to "increase" their control .. meaning some level of control was already there. Just because he isn't actively controlling the Jyuubi's every action doesn't mean the Jyuubi isn't still bound to the outer path.

    Naruto specifically mentions the fact that what he hoped to do with the Bijuus true names isn't working. Which means that, although we haven't seen it as it played out, there has been some sort of struggle for control of the Jyuubi that Obito was winning. It also means there are aspects to the control of the Jyuubi that we don't know yet, and that should come into play fairly soon.

    keeping that in mind, it would be inaccurate to claim Obitos Rinnegan wasn't tied up in keeping the Jyuubi tethered. That is something we simply don't know.

    We also don't know the relationship between Madara and Obito in terms of performing that jutsu. Obito should know how to use it, but Madara could very well be directly controlling Obitos actions. We don't know that he isn't. Both could be true. The way the black rods have worked in the past involved directly controlling a body like a puppet though.. so assuming that isn't what is happening when we don't know yet seems premature.

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    In case of a successful Rinnei Tensei Madara's Soul will leave his current body, Correct ???
    If yes then will he be revived in his old body with a Rinnengan and No Mokuton (Which i honetly don't know if he was unable to use before he died cause he already had Rinnengan before he died) cor will he be revived in his prime with a yong body and EMS ??

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSeven View Post
    He couldn't have revived Yahiko and Jiraiya. If he revived Yahiko then he would have been going against everything Yahiko died for. Konan would have their friend back, but the resistance would no longer have the Rinnegans abilities because Nagato would be dead... which is specifically what Yahiko committed suicide to ensure didn't happen.

    He couldn't raise Jiraiya because doing so would have precluded saving all the other villagers he killed. He could either raise one long dead person or many recently deceased people .. not both.

    So no, there is no real reason to assume Nagato couldn't do it. Since the original plan was to have him raise Madara when the time came I would say the opposite is true.

    And .. when they attached themselves to the Jyuubi, it was to "increase" their control .. meaning some level of control was already there. Just because he isn't actively controlling the Jyuubi's every action doesn't mean the Jyuubi isn't still bound to the outer path.

    Naruto specifically mentions the fact that what he hoped to do with the Bijuus true names isn't working. Which means that, although we haven't seen it as it played out, there has been some sort of struggle for control of the Jyuubi that Obito was winning. It also means there are aspects to the control of the Jyuubi that we don't know yet, and that should come into play fairly soon.

    keeping that in mind, it would be inaccurate to claim Obitos Rinnegan wasn't tied up in keeping the Jyuubi tethered. That is something we simply don't know.

    We also don't know the relationship between Madara and Obito in terms of performing that jutsu. Obito should know how to use it, but Madara could very well be directly controlling Obitos actions. We don't know that he isn't. Both could be true. The way the black rods have worked in the past involved directly controlling a body like a puppet though.. so assuming that isn't what is happening when we don't know yet seems premature.
    How would he have gone against what Yahiko died for? Yahiko died to save them, him being revived wouldn't have changed that. And there's nothing to suggest that using Rinne Tensei automatically means death. Nagato only died when he used it in Konoha because he revived so many while so low on chakra already. Not sure where you came up with such a limitation, when such a thing has never been claimed in the series. There's nothing saying he would have had to choose between a recent death and an old death.

    There is no outer path for the Juubi to be bound too. The outer path is the Rinnegan's ability to control life and death, and the Paths. Neither of those were in play during this time. Given that there has been nothing to say that Obito controlling the Juubi itself prevented him from using the Rinnegan abilities, him still controlling it is moot.

    Obito does know how to use it, Madara taught him the Rinnegan techniques and clearly he would have had to know how to teach it to Nagato. Only specially created dead bodies were control like a puppet. Never seen that effect on a living on, much less granting the ability to use an unknown technique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark blood View Post
    In case of a successful Rinnei Tensei Madara's Soul will leave his current body, Correct ???
    If yes then will he be revived in his old body with a Rinnengan and No Mokuton (Which i honetly don't know if he was unable to use before he died cause he already had Rinnengan before he died) cor will he be revived in his prime with a yong body and EMS ??
    Most likely, his Edo body will just be turnt into his living one. And Madara would still have Mokuton, since he had originally implanted Hashirama's cells long ago. He should be revived exactly as he is now.

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Most likely, his Edo body will just be turnt into his living one. And Madara would still have Mokuton, since he had originally implanted Hashirama's cells long ago. He should be revived exactly as he is now.
    That will be some thing that kishi has to pull out of thin air,
    Though we have seen this jutsu being used only once, and in that case all the bodies were present at the place, and they were revived with the same bodies.
    But in this case we have a body which isn't real one and made by dust and some other person's body, and i am pretty sure when they have planned that originally they (Both Madara and Tobi) didn't account for Modified Edo Tensei Madara.

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    Based on the last other instant of Rinne Tensei, Madara by rights should be revived in his ancient old body with either one Rinnegan or that one Sharingan he had at his death. However Kishi has probably already got an excuse as to why he will come back in hack mode.

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    Clearly kishi wants madara to become mortal so naruto and other can kill madara

    I think even without the 10 tails he can kill anybody and seal the hokages clearly kishi cannot think another way to kill madara than make him mortal agan and he will just say that to become a 10 tail jinjuriki you need a living body

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    ***READ CHAPTER FIRST BEFORE READING***

    Kick ass chapter.

    The 4th just killed him in cold blood and now that he knows I think he will go after Obito directly. Kakashi is missing still but great chapter. Sasuke basically did the same as Minato, which is going for the kill. I have no idea what Narutos Plan was and how he will react to the fact Minato did the thing Sasuke wanted to do too.

    Madara is just a super troll, the 3rd is nowhere to be seen and the other Kages are "too far away".
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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    chapter is out
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/637
    But for my opinion is bad writing I don't say why to not spoiler

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    okayish Chapter but the end was aweful.

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    Re: Naruto 636 Discussion / 637 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    How would he have gone against what Yahiko died for? Yahiko died to save them, him being revived wouldn't have changed that. And there's nothing to suggest that using Rinne Tensei automatically means death. Nagato only died when he used it in Konoha because he revived so many while so low on chakra already. Not sure where you came up with such a limitation, when such a thing has never been claimed in the series. There's nothing saying he would have had to choose between a recent death and an old death.

    There is no outer path for the Juubi to be bound too. The outer path is the Rinnegan's ability to control life and death, and the Paths. Neither of those were in play during this time. Given that there has been nothing to say that Obito controlling the Juubi itself prevented him from using the Rinnegan abilities, him still controlling it is moot.

    Obito does know how to use it, Madara taught him the Rinnegan techniques and clearly he would have had to know how to teach it to Nagato. Only specially created dead bodies were control like a puppet. Never seen that effect on a living on, much less granting the ability to use an unknown technique.

    Most likely, his Edo body will just be turnt into his living one. And Madara would still have Mokuton, since he had originally implanted Hashirama's cells long ago. He should be revived exactly as he is now.
    The death limitation has been implied every time the technique has been mentioned. That is why Tobi said Nagato was supposed to save it for him (back when he was pretending to be Madara). Saving it implies you can only use it once. Only being able to use it once implies ...yep.

    If it is multiple use there would have been no reason not to have Obito raise Madara as soon as he arrived.

    The techniques related to the Gedo statue and controlling bijuu with those chains, etc, are part of the Rinnegans outer path.

    Nagato clearly states during the pain arc that stabbing people with those black chakra rods allows him to control their actions with his chakra.

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