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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
How do you know, that Bankai Byakuya wouldn't be able to trash As Nodt? Because base Kenpachi = Bankai Byakuya, at least back then. Saying they had to be weak because their "rank" was low (stop with this flawed logic about ranks...) is just your assumption. For all we know, they could be just as strong as As Nodt. Question's ability was pretty mind fucking. Fear is also tricky, but it forces you to overcome fear. Sometimes you can't. But Kenpachi is hella strong without shikai or bankai. They feared Bankais, so they disabled it. But there's a fighter who can be bankai-level fighters with pure swordmanship and speed. Question got owned because of speed, Roar was owned because of his power. Loyd the Yourself was owned, because... well, Kenpachi is Kenpachi. He probably took off his seal when Loyd transformed and killed him. And I'm sure, that Loyd wasn't able to use his body as good as he did.Quote:
Yup, that's why A and B are Juha and Haschwald. But saying that someone with C has ability with C as first letter, and is stronger than D is just ridicoulous. For example. Royd and Loyd had their abilities FROM BIRTH. Their ability was "Yourself". They had to be given letter Y. Did they have to train to be stronger than Z, but weaker than everyone with letters A-X? This logic just doesn't make sense. What decides this order is NOT RANK OR POWER, but ability. Stop making up things so your poor little Byakuya can have excuse for losing so badly and not even being able to cut his opponent.Quote:
Yes, as I said, they WERE equals in HM arc. But now Kenpachi will get shikai and bankai. Hey, do you remember As Nodt vs Byakuya? How badly shikai lost against bankai? You still can't grasp difference in power after achieving shikai and bankai? Look at non-shikai Ichigo and Bankai Ichigo.Quote:
Destroyed? Nah, it was just taken. He still has Shikai. Stop making things up, PLEASE. Those "may have been" shouldn't have place in that discussion.Quote:
It's not the first time someone accuses you of being simple Byakuya fanboy. In every thread Byakuya is mentioned you appear and start spouting nonsense. I was discussing all those topics few times with you, but you just keep on saying the same thing. You're just annoying. And it has nothing to do with hot temper. It's just I hate your guts.Quote:
Last edited by Firebird0ne; July 04, 2013 at 08:32 AM.
You didn't? You still think, that having letter "C" means being higher than someone with "Z"... And your reference in military is correct. We have Soldats And Sternitters. Between Sternitters, we have 2 people HIGHER than Sternitters. Juha and Haschwalt. And that's EVERYTHING. Then you have letters C-Z that are sorted by first letters of powers. THEY'RE ALL EQUAL, more or less. Of course, some powers may work better while 1v1, some powers may work better on different people. But they're still equal. C=Y, Z=D, E=F, Q=R=F.Quote:
You want to believe it's different, because then your little Byakuya would be proven WEAK in comparison to senior captains and Kenpachi, as he was for a long time.
Is it really THAT hard to understand, that letters have NOTHING to do with ranking, just with names of their powers? Juha doesn't consider someone with C stronger than Y. Well, talking about "C" is pretty dangerous, as he wasn't introduced and maybe he is Juha's left hand, but general idea is the same. It wasn't D that played major role in Juha's scheme. It was Y. By your logic, with second lowest rank...Quote:
Oh, so now we're stepping on Kubo's mind. IMPRESSIVE BANKAI is nonsense. Byakuya is one of the most favorite characters of Bleach, just like Kenpachi. They were both trashed to show SR's power. IT HAS NOTHING to do with Byakuya being strong or having "impressive bankai". There we go with nonsense, again.Quote:
And nope, Byakuya wasn't considered crazy strong before. He never was. Just by fanboys. If you want to start saying "Why Kubo made Byakuya fight As Nodt" you should ask yourself. Why did Byakuya fight SEVENTH Espada, while others fought with 1-5? Why didn't he fight with Yammy alone? Don't apply your strange logic to one arc. Byakuya lost to Bankai Ichigo. And would die in like 5 seconds after Bankai activation if not for Ichigo's cockiness. Then, when Ichigo's Bankai worn him out (as it puts strain on his body), Byakuya gained advantage. The truth is, he could have been one-shotted. Just like Question and Roar by Kenpachi. But you choose to ignore it, because it'd ruin your fanboy-ish thinking.
What is the point of making Kenpachi learn his zanpakuto name, if he won't get Bankai? He is damn strong with only swordmanship, shouldn't have problem with a fight in inner world. Also, his Zanpakuto was trying to reach to him for years. And Kenpachi already heard his Zanpakuto name. So he has Shikai already.Quote:
If you understand, then how can you say, that Bankai Kenpachi will be equal to Byakuya after Royal Realm? The only thing Byakuya will do is beat As Nodt, and overcome his fear. He isn't a beast, that whole SS with Yamaji feared.
Okk. So show me panels, where his Senbonzakura was destroyed. We're talking about BANKAI there, because Shikai requires pouring your reiatsu to repair. After having his Bankai stolen, he was still using Shikai. So he still had Senbonzakura. Nothing seems to indicate, that As Nodt did something to his Bankai. Basis is ridicuolous, but idea of Byakuya getting new bankai isn't. He will have to have means to fight As Nodt, if this thing Urahara is working on isn't to get back bankais. But idea of that DIFFERENT bankai boosting his power like tenfold is just ridicoulous and is something what only fanboy could say. Byakuya WILL NOT be on par with Kenpachi.Quote:
Oh, I am tolerant, trust me. But if someone keeps saying the same thing over and over again, then is showed some panels, instead of replying just keeps saying the same thing, that was proven wrong OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I had respect for you when we first discussed this. I can safely say, that 80% of yours posts that concern captains' strength and this topic is saying how strong Byakuya is and will be. You keep using the same arguments, that were proven wrong and use baseless assumptions saying they're facts. You keep taking real life military system to prove your completely wrong point. You use "being noble clan's head" as a testament of his strength. Well, Kenpachi isn't really noble... that's how much your "noble" is worth in this manga.Quote:
Last edited by Duniak; July 04, 2013 at 09:46 AM.
Ive always thought he was a mediocre captain. I think even toshiro can take him out. If I had to rank byakuya he would be # 9
You know I was actually thinking about what his bankai will evolve into. Currently he can control the blades but in his true bankai form we see thousands of swords. Maybe as his bankai grows and he masters it he will be able to fight with 1000 swords opposed to the petal blades. That would be insane
I could be very wrong but it always seemed to me that the younger generation captains are the weakest and tend to over rely on their Bankai.
On that note I would say Byakuya is a mid to low tier level captain, not the weakest but definitely not one of the strongest.