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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
next chapter: epic battle between the 2 elders. then when ghost doc will going to win Shioon wake up yeah "i won doc, cause i'm free"
doc: "ok good bye"
You know now that I think about it, the meditative technique could be a way for shioon to break out. He can't move but it looks like his Ki is still available to him.
Also, I agree with the general thought of "glasses guy." His attitude reminds me of an atheist who is watching a saint perform a miracle. He is seeing it, but he still does not believe it, because he has his head buried so deep in his own bias that he does not even care to look for actual objective evidence.
Anyways has anyone considered the possibility of Shik being captured by Shioon once he breaks out? I know lots of people, myself included, have been thingking about how he is likely to become an ally after he looses to Shioon. There has been some speculation on what Shioon might require him to do, since he promised to fulfil a request if he lost, and now that I think about it Shioon should just make the dude his subordinate. His one request should be to make Shik follow him, just like what the government wanted to do. Instead of the Sunwoo clan being taken over by the gov, the Heung-in clinic gets taken over by the Sunwoo clan. Eventuallly the doc will come to accept his position and the clan will be stronger for it.
On the issue of honor and Kwon jumping into the fray, it should be understood that honor is very complicated in the underworld. It would be dishonorable for Kwon to take Shioon, because that would make Shioon go back on his word, and thus dishonor the Sunwoo Gaju.
However, if Kwon steps into the dual in Shioons place, and kills the person that Shioon made the vow to, then Kwon instead wins and the promise is void because the person that the promise was made to is dead.
Murim Honor is not simple. This is not a world of knights in shining armour, this is a world of people who can more easily be likened to mafioso. The strong make the rules, and the weak follow them. Shik proved he was stronger, and made a rule. If Kwon proves he is stronger, then the rules are his to make. If there is any simplicity in this, then that is it.
I like the juxtaposition of Kwon and Shik's attitudes. Kwon is prepared to fight to the death for his clan's honor. Shik just wanted a specimen and wanted no part of trouble. He sort of looks afraid, but I imagine it's not because he thinks Kwon is stronger than him but because the stakes have become far too high for the payoff. He has absolutely no reason to put his life on the line - if he dies, he has accomplished nothing. If Kwon dies in the course of the fight, he has still upheld Sunwoo honor and perhaps given the rest of Sunwoo a chance to rescue Shioon. And barring the use of firearms by glasses guy, I think that could decide the fight.
Then again, Shioon could still break out, but that would just make it simpler.
Of course the rest of the Universe is expecting something closer to Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
I think we'll be seeing a fight between old timers next chapter and possibly doc's flashback of what happened between him and elder kwon. glasses guy ordering someone to snipe elder kwon is also possible
Doctor is called ghost hand right wonder if Kwon has a nickname like that. Also like his negotiating style. Also glasses is an idiot if shiwoon did a lot of damage to his mean what luck do they have vs elder Kwon.
Just read a-teams scan and it is confirmed that Doctor Shik wants to fight Sosul's grandfather but Elder kwon fight the doctor instead either the Elder Kwon beat the crap out of the doctor and lose some teeth hehehe
The doctor is not winning he explained that if shioon is not moving and inch he won and yet shioon is still trembling and besides there is a difference between subdued in the doctors mind and shioons mind maybe shioon thinks thst subdue is hes unconscious and cant fight anymore while the doctor thinks that stopping the movement of shioon is subduing him .
Last edited by jacoobus; July 06, 2013 at 04:55 PM.
You ^^ are coming off like a jackass, I just hope you know that.
Also this quote of yours:
For someone coming off saying others are wrong, this is illogical thinking on your part. When have you seen two individuals square up against one another, proceed in calling out each other to a duel and then allowing others to step in? Makes absolutely no sense.Quote:
From Sik's perspective, he showed to Know the state Shioon was - subdued. Even if Shioon breaks out after that, the duel was already over, by Sunwoo arriving. From more fun and relaxed reading it would be fun to read a manhwa where we know the main character will beat everyone and all will be good - not so with this series. I feel that I can't predict what will happen next. And this is authors intention maybe. Like is this the one main big even this year? or will there be another one with some SUC folks? Are the manhwa authors taking a break in the summer? If so then maybe in a few chapters we will see some salvation and have some summer break maybe... and then some other action will take place.
Even if Shioon would wake up, and say "Dont kill Sik", To follow the rule "Follow sik without a single word", In Kwon shoes I would just make Sik as a pet in cage and drag him to the Sunwoo base, so "Shioon would follow Sik without a single word to the Sunwoo base"
Well I feel worried about Shioon. Doesn't feel so much that author wants to just let him to win. We are seeing a lot of action before the finish - thats definite.
If Kwon pushed back Sik, he should be near Shioon right now. I hope Kwon will make sure to secure, and keep Shioons safety at this point, and let the rest of the Sunwoo clan to come over to secure the Gaju. And he will not continue fighting not securing the Gaju first... becouse some dude like Blind Guy (previously glasses guy), could place a knife or gun against Gaju as a hostage and demand everyone on their knees. But then again Kwons fast movement should surpass even this...
Anyway I hope the authors will bring us whatever necessary to show what they wanted, what are the ideas they want to show us through these series, and we shouldn't attach to our own expected conclusions over it. The major factors now are: Sunwoo clan is strong and could do a lot now, but if Shioon wakes up he can totaly say "I lost let me go to my cage handed by Sik"
Last edited by Jyothir; July 06, 2013 at 11:00 PM.