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Matches don't work the way everyone's implying. You can't say Ninja A beat Ninja B, and Ninja B beat Ninja C, therefore Ninja A can beat Ninja C. Things like matchups and weaknesses come into account.
When Kakashi went against Itachi in their first match, Itachi only successfully connected with one attack, and that was while Kakashi was trying to protect two other people. (Itach was holding back ofcourse, but Kakashi was hindered more). Against Obito he removed the one thing that made Obito a real threat, therefore, he won. If he had the ability to completely negate Tsukuyomi (without great cost to himself) the way he did against Obito's Kamui, then you can expect the same thing to happen.
Well, if Itachi didn't have Susanoo, lol.
Also I know we all hate Obito, but don't downplay his strength. In a direct clash with either Nagato or Itachi he'd win 9 times out of 10.
I wonder how many times could Obito use Kamui if there wasn't for Hashirama's cells. Also, I still wonder if his eyesight is deteriorating or not. His MS isn't eternal. Maybe Hashi's cell's feat again. I doubt he'd win against Itachi though.
That's playing fast and loose with the actual translations. It's never implied anywhere that he was afraid of Nagato (you are aware that Nagato was a puppet, correct?), and only slightly implied that he was cautious about Itachi. The closer your subordinates get, the more of a threat they become if they ever go rogue. And he already knew Itachi was only on his side reluctantly, therefore he had absolutely no reason to trust him. He had to be cautious. And for some reason, people confuse "cautious" with "scared shitless."Originally Posted by KingOfNight
obito wasnt playing tag with kakashi inside the kamui deminsion like he did everyone else
if itachi fought tobi he would destroy him
A as the strongest
C as the weakest
This is very, very flawed black and white thinking, toying with absolutes. Match-ups and conditions matter. Taking above example, what if character C manages to beat A? Or what if character A and B fought 10 times during the same week? It would not be abnormal the see this as a result: A-6 vicories, B 4 victories. In fact, this would be more natural. Someone defeating another person does not mean he is stronger, more skillful, etc. by definition.
And coming back to your post, you compare two cases that cannot possibly be compared since so many variables are different.
The rinnegan is really just a huge handicap implanted directly into Tobi's head. He never wanted to win. His declaration of war was pathetic- his whole plan made no sense without Kabuto's otherwise unexpected intervention. He gave Naruto the key to interacting with the bijuu. He very used Paths abilities. He faltered all over the place the whole fight. All-in-all a massive disappointment.
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Seriously the fact that Tobi never took his eye back speaks volumes about how keenly he was motivated to die by Kakashi's hands. Too bad we never had any real foreshadowing of a relationship between the two before this fight.
Last edited by badluckartist; June 29, 2013 at 03:43 PM.
"Akatsuki has a terrible Hierarchy of Power"
Akatsuki is an organisation consisting of over 10 S classed missing nin members with different interests, character, techniques & approach to combat.
"If Kakashi (Ninja A) could woop Obitos (Ninja B) ass but not Itachi (Ninja C)
There is a fundamental issue with this statement. Like I said, "over 10 S classed missing nin members with different interests, character, techniques & approach to combat"
A very important thing to note here pertaining to combat is that victory doesn't need to be determine by whom is superior in wits, strengths, power, agility, speed & etc. Timing & chance is the most essential element in victory.
There are several famous examples of this thing about taking about. Is anyone aware of the term "guerrilla warfare tactics"? Party A might have the superior men & fire power in comparison to party B but because party B used the guerrilla warfare tactics party B reigns champion. An ambush is a silent tactical approach to disrupt the enemy though cheap in it's nature, it could prove very effective in combat.
Different abilities, different interests, different characters, different approach to combat & different outcomes in combat.
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That aside, we should all realise by now that Kishi had screwed up the logic of his manga.
Obito has always sucked at fighting. Why are people surprised?
And Itachi's a genius whereas Obito's an idiot. It would be the same as arguing someone being able to beat Naruto (like say Edo Nagato) would be able to do the same with Minato. No matter how hax the latter are, it doesn't mean anything if they aren't smart like the formers to actually make use of said strengths.
Even itachi knew that obito aka madara was the one who controlled the akatsuki in the shadow.
Obito may be an idiot, but for Pete's sake, your genius itachi can't even hurt the idiot obito.
Nagato didn't do all he did because of Obito, he did it all because he had his own plans for the Bijuus. All Obito did was take the spoils after Nagato had been killed.
Couldn't hurt? Obito made it quite clear that Itachi could have easily killed him, and was scared enough that he wouldn't even move against Konoha or Sasuke til after Itachi had died.