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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Team 15 (Äs Nödt, Renji Abarai, Moe Shishigawara)
Team 16 (Kūgo Ginjō, Hiyori Sarugaki, Yukio Hans Vorarlberna)
This whole deal with Ginjo was kinda confusing. We know that he was a substitute shinigami at one point which suggests he had a zanpakuto of his own. He had a sword with him in his flashback with young Tsukishima where he was also wearing a shinigami outfit. He acquired GT after he stole Ichigo's powers but GT isn't unique to Ichigo and moreover the manga recently revealed that Ichigo's shinigami powers are entirely different. Well, I don't say that Ginjou's was a real bankai but it seems to me that our information about him is unclear and we were purposefully kept in the dark. Since Ginjo never used bankai before he stole Ichigo's fullbring, you are free to assume that he doesn't have one but IMHO there's a distinct possibility that he actually had bankai and Ichigo's fullbring only enhanced it. I sincerely doubt that other fullbringers, who took Ichigo's powers, could use bankai as well.
Other fullbringers weren't Shinigamis so no, they couldn't use Bankai... of course... -.-
As much as people are considering Yukio's ability to trap As Nodt, it's also equally possible As Nodt can use his fear arrows on Yukio, who's resolve isn't near as steely as Byakuya's given how immature he is and how much his past haunts him. Not to mention there's nothing giving the idea that he's even as fast as Byakuya, so hitting him with the fear arrows shouldn't be tough at all for the Quincy
Those arrows can pretty much take him completely out of the fight, a single moments pause could lead to his death. Ginjou also has to watch out for this effect
I don't remember, but do we give the S/R the bankai they've stolen in canon? If so, I'm leaning heavily toward Nodt's team, but if not, I'll remain undecided until I see more convincing arguments either way. Though looking at Miyagi's post I assume they don't
Last edited by Buzz Killington; July 05, 2013 at 11:25 PM.
Going with Team 15 on this one.
As Nodt's fear arrows are the biggest factor in the match. None of his opponents should have significantly better (if at all) willpower than Byakuya to resist the ability, especially Yukio and Hiyori, who have shown rather easily fluctuating emotions. Given that his arrows took effect on Byakuya very soon after he was hit, it's not unreasonable to assume the same for these guys.
Ginjo was rather underwhelming, particularly his endurance. Granted, his resolve was clearly falling as his fight progressed, but excusing his performance doesn't make it better either. As far as I'm concerned, As Nodt can take him.
On the subject of Hiyori and Renji, Hiyori's more impressive thus far. Renji has yet to show his new Bankai, and while his time-skip incarnation has been half decent, once Hiyori dons the mask, she should take it.
Yukio's power, while absurdly hax in theory, really didn't live up to its hype. Things like unbreakable cages, making an enemy "miss" an attack, and creating/collapsing dimensions should be a testament to his power, but really, we saw that when faced with a Captain, it didn't really amount to much. Yukio's opponents should see quite quickly that his powers are activated through his little armband computer, so it's not question what will be targeted. Should still be a good support guy nonetheless, and could make a couple moves to take a win. Overall however, he's more likely to die.
Moe's rather underrated in my opinion. He failed to kill Ikkaku, but he broke his damn Zanpakuto, something we just don't see done so casually. This severely limited Ikkaku's offensive options, and he could do something similar to his opponents here too. Ginjo also had part of his sword break (although this was a much weaker version). Moe's got a handful of decent speed feats and a hax ability, he's not irrelevant in this fight. It's also worth noting that after the other Fullbringers got boosted (including Yukio), Ginjo said he didn't want Moe's powers getting stronger, because they were too troublesome. Not to say that Moe necessarily beats the others, but it was made clear that his ability's no joke either, especially without knowledge.
All in all though, it comes down to As Nodt. His ability is just too ridiculous. One cut and his opponent's ability to fight will be seriously hampered. Byakuya even stopped moving at one point without realizing it, and got a hole in the chest because of it. No one on this team is going to kill As Nodt without being cut once. He's a game changer even without SKY.
Yukio's fullbring is too haxed,he may make it to have a 3vs1 each time. I think his team is stronger,since as nodt owned a weak byakuya with his own bankai,but wad then one-shotted by yama.
Everyone here, and indeed most characters in the manga, would receive the same treatment. And are you trying to suggest that As Nodt isn't significant here?Quote:
Team 15 take this easily for me, I don't see how people can vote against fear and luck. Plus Renji has a cool ponytail
Team 15 (Äs Nödt, Renji Abarai, Moe Shishigawara) : 12
Team 16 (Kūgo Ginjō, Hiyori Sarugaki, Yukio Hans Vorarlberna) : 11
Team 15 advances to the next round.
You can discuss the results in Bleach Tournament Discussion Thread.