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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
"Air-cutting", or at least what I'm pretty sure is being referred to here, is actually viable and very much possible in Bleach. In some cases it's called Ken'natsu. We've seen it multiple times, the greatest displays of which occured during the Aizen vs Ichigo fight (When Ichigo casually destroyed a mesa just by winging his sword while parrying Aizen). Though prior to that, Aizen cutting down Komamura's Bankai despite his sword never making contact with it is an example of it, Kenpachi cutting down the building after removing his patch in SS Arc is another, H2 Ichigo swinging his sword and kicking up a ton of rubble, etc
Not gonna get into whether it'll work to defeat Barragan or not, but the idea is definitely legit. Bleach even has a name for it
EDIT: Though, I will say I doubt it will work, seeing as Barragan wasn't affected in the least bit by the resulting air pressure caused by Soi Fons bankai explosion, which threw her back, tore her sash and all. So chances are he can sort of mitigate such things
Last edited by Buzz Killington; July 12, 2013 at 05:39 PM.
Except, Komamura was too far away from him for his sword to reach himQuote:
Clearly Aizens small blade isn't large enough to cover that much damage on Kokujo Tengen Myo'o, which seeing as it is infront of Komamura seems to be what was hit first, not Komamura himself as you're implying
The damage Komamura took and where we see Aizen is consistent with the idea that there's no illusion being used in that instance. If you really want to rely on the excuse that what we saw wasn't what occured because of LolKS out of refusal to accept whats clearly an example of a sword swing extending beyond its reach with pressure, rei or w/e, feel free. Simply introducing a possibility doesn't outweigh the plausibility that what we saw is what actually occuredQuote:
As I said, whether or not it can actually work against Barragan isn't really my concern. Point is this claims of yours:Quote:
Is simply false. It's happened many times
We don't need to see Unohana do it to assume she's capable of it. Lesser character have done it (Zaraku cutting down the building structure in SS Arc for example) and she's lightyears ahead of that particular version of Zaraki. It's called powerscaling. Same reason you said maybe Tessai could do what Hachi did to defeat Barragan despite him not showing it directlyQuote:
Last edited by Buzz Killington; July 12, 2013 at 06:15 PM.
That's why I said it was just shunpo+slash.
Also, this tournament doesn't allow "powerscaling". We can't take Captains' bankais in account, we can't use anything that wasn't shown by that character.
I don't understand how this is even a debate, Unohana wins hands down, fact is her being from the 1st generation of Captains alone gives her the class well above Barragan.
Look she was a master swordswomen before the Gotei 13 was even created, she earned the title of Kenpachi. During the times of 'relative peace' She managed to not only switch from being a ruthless killer to having her own Medical squad that specializes in Kido healing, which no doubt was the second kind of Kido she learnt next to lethal types. She also teaches Healing Kido. It only makes sense that with her absolute knowledge of swordmanship which ascetically is exploit any weaknesses an opponent has...
Unohana with a flawless victory.
Fact is as soon Barragan got on the battlefield his arrogance would take over at which point he would show his greatest weakness which is released form, all Unohana would need to do is survey the area around Barragan notice he's basically decaying everything and its over. She'd do exactly the same thing as Pink tash guy (rubbish with names -_-) because she simply has that much more experience plus absolute control in battle.
Last edited by devstauk; July 13, 2013 at 01:30 AM.
Those were examples of them, your new condition (where they have to hit and damage a character) is just that. The point is the concept is sound, and has been displayed many times. Sometimes opponents were hit with the attacks sometimes they weren't. We can't just ignore the "kubo-showing-how-badass-character-is" panels that display it just because of some arbitrary conditionQuote:
However if you want other examples that aren't as clear cut, Kenpachi cutting through Yammy's leg when his sword could clearly not cover the size of it is an example of cutting force extending beyond the blade. Any other example of such a phenomenon would be as well
That panel would be really all that's needed, as only one was needed to show the statement that it's never happened before was false.Quote:
What? Yes it does. Powerscaling is and has been used many times. See Yoruichi advancing as far as she did in the Tournament for evidence of this.Quote:
The case of the slash effect is different however, as it's a residual effect that apparently occurs with more power. If SS Arc Kenpachi could do it, its perfectly reasonable that Unohana could as well. It's not as if it's a kido spell or anything that requires special knowledge. Bankai aren't taken into account because we can't even begin to assume what they could be if we haven't seen them, however what you're suggesting is like saying we can't assume that Soi Fon can use her Shunko to punch someone because Yoruichi did it and Soi Fon didn't
Last edited by Buzz Killington; July 13, 2013 at 02:07 AM.
Unohana Retsu: 21
Barragan Luisenbarn: 12
Unohana Retsu advances to the next round.
You can discuss the results in Bleach Tournament Discussion Thread.