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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    It was said that the rikudou is a monk.

    Then what if, one day that monk was jumping from trees to trees and he just fell on the juubi's poop. Then he accidentally eat some of those poop and he gained some portion of juubi's power.

    Then he was looking for a water/river to clean up his body and he just did. Then he dive on that water/river and drink a cup or two. But it turns out, it was also the juubi's pee.

    With that, by eating some of juubi's poop and drinking some of his pee, the rikudou gained an unbelievable power, then later on, he gained his rinnegan.

    Maybe that's the origin of the rinnegan.

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark blood View Post
    It won't be a Kekei Genkai IMO.
    Because if it were then his children should have inherited it,
    Like all the Uchiha have Sharingan and Hyuugas his Byakugan.

    So IMO it was sort of a gift that only SO6P was blessed with.
    Could have been something that RIkudou Sennin chose to pass along to the elder son, who got a watered down Rinnegan out of choice or circumstance. And as time passed by, the doujutsu was slowly watered down or changing while the elder son's blood thinned or mixed with another blood.

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark blood View Post
    It won't be a Kekei Genkai IMO.
    Because if it were then his children should have inherited it,
    Like all the Uchiha have Sharingan and Hyuugas his Byakugan.

    So IMO it was sort of a gift that only SO6P was blessed with.
    Not all Bloodline Limits automatically get passed down. We know for a fact that a Bloodline Limit can both skip generations and manifest stronger in one person then another. The Byakugan is the only Bloodline Limit that has been shown to always appear in it's clan members. The Sharingan was shown to appear rarely within the clan members.

    Anyway, it could easily have been a case like with Hashirama, where he was the only one who possessed his unique Bloodline Limit. Or it could even have been that the Rikudou Sennin didn't want it passed down and used his ability to shape reality to ensure that.

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J
    Could have been something that RIkudou Sennin chose to pass along to the elder son, who got a watered down Rinnegan out of choice or circumstance. And as time passed by, the doujutsu was slowly watered down or changing while the elder son's blood thinned or mixed with another blood.
    My personal opinion was that Rikudou Sennin intentionally placed all the detrimental side effects that comes from the Sharingan within his son's eyes because he thought it would deter them from abusing it. He thought they'd think twice before taking the eyes of their siblings, or sacrificing their eyes to use Izanagi, or whatever.

    But then time passed and we found out that the Uchiha themselves were making new doujutsu techniques as time went on (Izanami). This leads me to believe that the powers simply diluted as generations passed, causing the Rinnegan eyes to degrade more and more as the clans split further and further apart. Though that still doesn't answer why there's absolutely NO side effects that come from Senju strength of body.

    I mean, to get MS, you have to experience despair from a lost loved one, you have to take the eyes of a relative to gain EMS, you have to become a Frankenstein to get Rinnegan... what the hell do you have to do to get Senju class chakra reserves other than being born?

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    But how do we know that one had to take the eyes of siblings or whether MS was possible? Or if Sharingan even existed back then? Tobi or Itachi said that Madara and Izuna were the first Uchiha to awaken their Mangekyo, so if that's true then Rikudou Sennin had no need to worry about that at the time.

    But I could see the second paragraph happening. Likely there's no side effect because the Senju do nothing to their body like the Uchihia mess with the eyes, whether Izanagi or Mangekyo. No idea why the Sharingan doujutsu has levels to unlock while Senju doesn't... could be due to the power or as you said, Rikudou Sennin putting detrimental due to the power?

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Roughly any idea how much time was between SO6P and Madara ???

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    If Rinnegan was diluted then the time gap maybe ~1000 years.

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    And in 1000 years only Madara and Izuna were the ones to awaken MS.
    IF SO6P arranged all that i mean having side effects of Sharingan and downside of Sharingan jutsus , then it was one hell of a foresight

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven 0 View Post
    If Rinnegan was diluted then the time gap maybe ~1000 years.
    Likely more then a thousand years, since the Elder Toads have been alive for 600 years and even they thought the Rinnegan was some myth. Then again, it's only been a few generations for Hashirama yet his true power became mythical.

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Do we know for sure that sage had Rinnengan before fighting Juubi or he got after that ???

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    We don't know either way, though it makes more sense he had it before, especially after the recent chapter.

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    I think the question to answer here is not what is the origin of rinnegan but what/who is the SO6P.

    1. The sage was creator of ninjutsu, therefore, no ninjutsu existed before him. It would be interesting to know by what feat did the sage was able to seal the jyubi within himself.

    2. How did the sage created ninjutsu? Isnt jyubi the source of all this? Or the jyubi shared the process of harnessing natural energy?

    I personally believe that uzumaki's were more close to the sage than any other. They were the expert with sealing and the sage required only that to capture the jyubi. Everything else that followed came through the jyubi by some permutation and combination.


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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    It was said that the rikudou is a monk.

    Then what if, one day that monk was jumping from trees to trees and he just fell on the juubi's poop. Then he accidentally eat some of those poop and he gained some portion of juubi's power.

    Then he was looking for a water/river to clean up his body and he just did. Then he dive on that water/river and drink a cup or two. But it turns out, it was also the juubi's pee.

    With that, by eating some of juubi's poop and drinking some of his pee, the rikudou gained an unbelievable power, then later on, he gained his rinnegan.

    Maybe that's the origin of the rinnegan.
    not sure what the juubis fecal matter has to do with anything.....

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by nitsthegame View Post
    I think the question to answer here is not what is the origin of rinnegan but what/who is the SO6P.

    1. The sage was creator of ninjutsu, therefore, no ninjutsu existed before him. It would be interesting to know by what feat did the sage was able to seal the jyubi within himself.

    2. How did the sage created ninjutsu? Isnt jyubi the source of all this? Or the jyubi shared the process of harnessing natural energy?

    I personally believe that uzumaki's were more close to the sage than any other. They were the expert with sealing and the sage required only that to capture the jyubi. Everything else that followed came through the jyubi by some permutation and combination.
    We know the Samurai existed before ninja. RK created ninjutsu and thus gave birth to ninja.

    Samurai don't use ninjutsu but they can harness chakra. I am assuming the Sage simply figured out a way to harness the chakra in a better way, in the form of ninjutsu. The Rinnegan is probably what gave him this ability. Not long after, he taught others and then we have everyone experimenting, and thus the shinobi world that Hashirama and Madara grew up in began it's infant stages which was probably a 1000 or so years ago.

    And I am not sure why so many believe the Uzumaki's were closer to the Sage. It is told perfectly to us that the Senju and Uchiha are the closest decedents. The Uzumaki's were related to the Senju but it is plainly obvious that the Senju were closer. Notice it was Hashirama's cells, not a Uzumaki's that were needed to form the Rinnegan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisame Hoshigaki View Post
    not sure what the juubis fecal matter has to do with anything.....
    And he wonder's why no one takes him seriously

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    Re: Origin of the Rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by nitsthegame View Post
    I think the question to answer here is not what is the origin of rinnegan but what/who is the SO6P.

    1. The sage was creator of ninjutsu, therefore, no ninjutsu existed before him. It would be interesting to know by what feat did the sage was able to seal the jyubi within himself.

    2. How did the sage created ninjutsu? Isnt jyubi the source of all this? Or the jyubi shared the process of harnessing natural energy?

    I personally believe that uzumaki's were more close to the sage than any other. They were the expert with sealing and the sage required only that to capture the jyubi. Everything else that followed came through the jyubi by some permutation and combination.
    I don't think the Sage created ninjutsu itself, but more like he introduced or founded ninjutsu. Like, the ability to use ninjutsu was there but the Sage was the only one who knew how to use it, while those before him merely used chakra to enhance some physical aspects of their attributes like speed or jumping height.

    Or he could have created ninjutsu and handseals, though that's weird.

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